Do Paradise and the Fire perish, and what is the validity of the statements of Ibn Taymiyyah and his student Ibn al-Qayyim on this issue?

The student: All right, my teacher, we heard in one of your writings, or I don't know...

The Shaykh: Correct your phrasing. One does not say "one of your writings." "Writings" is feminine, so you need to say "one of your writings" (using the feminine form).
The student: I am not a grammarian.

The Shaykh: You are an Arab.
The student: In a council like this, the topic of tawhid (the oneness of Allah) was raised, so they supported their words with a statement you made. You said that you, Shaykh so-and-so, Ibn Taymiyyah, erred in such-and-such an issue; so did you actually say this in this issue?

The Shaykh: Why do we take Ibn Taymiyyah as a prophet?
The student: No, he is not a prophet...

The Shaykh: He is a scholar among scholars who errs and hits the mark. How could it be otherwise? How could it be?
The student: And do you believe that Ibn Taymiyyah said this in this issue...?

The Shaykh: Specify what it is. You are speaking in generalities right now.
The student: The perishing of Paradise and the Fire. Do you believe that Ibn Taymiyyah said this in this issue?

The Shaykh: Yes, I believe so.
The student: In which of your writings?

The Shaykh: I have an introduction that is fifty pages long and more, in which I explained this topic and quoted the words of Ibn Taymiyyah; some from the printed works and some from the manuscripts; and the words of his student Ibn al-Qayyim are explicit in his book "Hadi al-Arwah ila Bilad al-Afrah" (The Guide of Souls to the Lands of Joy).
The student: But excuse me, Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah says in his commentary on the Nuniyyah poem, and this is well known, that "whoever says that Paradise and the Fire perish has committed disbelief, and I attribute this statement to our Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah."

The Shaykh: How? This could have been a period of time, and I glanced at this statement. Ibn al-Qayyim has a statement in his book "al-Wabil al-Sayb fi al-Kalim al-Tayyib" (The Gentle Rain of Sweet Words) where he says, and I quoted this statement there and clarified that this was during a stage of his studies. Ibn al-Qayyim says in this book, al-Wabil al-Sayb fi al-Kalim al-Tayyib, that "the Fire is two fires: a Fire that perishes, which is the Fire of the monotheists; and a Fire that remains, which is the Fire of the disbelievers." So I said at that time that perhaps this is what he meant, and that it was at the end of his studies and his scholarly maturity. It is a long research on this, meaning I have, in my opinion and belief, covered the topic from all its angles. And then, I am not concerned with the person, I am concerned with whoever might say this statement, meaning, there is no one who says it—please, sir—meaning, a tooth and a lesson do not come together (a proverb meaning two things cannot coexist).
The student: ... Ibn Taymiyyah has books, and after a time, Ibn Taymiyyah passed away, and these books were taken, and no tampering was found except in this creed...

The Shaykh: Meaning, it is said that this is tampering in his books, if the door is opened, it cannot be closed, regarding Ibn Taymiyyah and others.