Discussion on the validity of the attribution to Ibn al-Qayyim that the Fire will perish, with an explanation of the virtue of offering the greeting in Islam.
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The questioner : Okay, a question. We heard in one of your writings, or is it a habit?
The Shaykh : Correct your phrasing; one does not say "one of your writings."
The questioner : I do not know.
The Shaykh : No, "one" is masculine, "writings" is feminine; you should say "one of."
The questioner : Yes, that is fine. I am not a grammarian.
The Shaykh : You are an Arab.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Heh, yes.
The questioner : I was in a scholarly gathering, and this gathering touched upon the knowledge of tawhid (the oneness of Allah).
The Shaykh : Good.
The questioner : So... their speech was with words you said. You said, "Our Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah erred in such-and-such an issue." Did you say...?
The Shaykh : ...Ibn Taymiyyah. We... a scholar among the scholars errs and hits the mark. How could it be otherwise? It is possible.
The questioner : Do you believe that Ibn Taymiyyah said in this issue, for example?
The Shaykh : You are now...
Another questioner: The perishing of Paradise and the Fire.
The questioner : The perishing of Paradise and the Fire. Do you believe that Ibn Taymiyyah said this issue?
The Shaykh : ...I believe.
The questioner : In which of his writings, for example?
The Shaykh : I have an introduction of fifty pages and more in which I explained this topic and quoted the words of Ibn Taymiyyah, some from the printed and some from the manuscript, and the clear words of Ibn al-Qayyim, his student, in his book "Hadi al-Arwah ila Bilad al-Afrah".
The questioner : ...Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah says in... the Nuniyyah poem, and this is well known, that he who says that Paradise and the Fire perish has committed kufr (disbelief). And I mention this statement from our Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah.
The Shaykh : How? This could be... al-Kalim al-Tayyib... Ibn al-Qayyim says, and I quoted this statement there and explained that this was in a stage of his study. Ibn al-Qayyim says in this book of his, "al-Wabil al-Sayb fi al-Kalim al-Tayyib", that the Fire is two fires: a Fire that perishes, which is the Fire of the monotheists, and a Fire that remains, which is the Fire of the disbelievers. So I said at that time that perhaps this is what he meant when he said it; it was the end of his study and his scholarly maturity. It is a long research on this, meaning... in my opinion and belief, on the topic from all its angles.
And then, I do not care about the person; I care about whoever may say this statement, meaning, and there are those who say it.
The questioner : Please, go ahead.
The Shaykh : Please, do not worry, please, my lord, meaning... whoever met..., so you have now entered the gathering, and this is among the meanings of his statement (peace be upon him) in the well-known authentic hadith: "Like a saw on the one coming up and the one coming down." Peace be upon you, ten; and the mercy of Allah, twenty; and His blessings, thirty. A great favor from Allah. A man entered the gathering of the Messenger and asked them, saying, "Peace be upon you." He said, . The second came and said, "Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allah." He said, . The third came and said, "Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allah and His blessings." He said, . They said, "O Messenger of Allah, the first man entered and I said ten, the second twenty, the third thirty." He said, .
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ...anyone. Here comes the well-known verse:[An-Nisa 4:86]. If a Muslim says "Peace be upon you" and you reply "And upon you peace," it is ten. He said, and if he says "Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allah," it is twenty. But... if a Muslim says a phrase, thirty are written for him... Yes, this is an issue in which there is disagreement among the scholars, some of whom say. Please, brothers, please, what is the difference between this and that? About the interpretation of this. Yes.
The questioner : ...a small question?
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner :Sahih Muslim 1017a ... .
The Shaykh :Sahih Muslim 1017a
The questioner : ...meaning, are the two hadiths considered contradictory or what? ...He said, if he added more, he would have more reward, or it increased in the hadith of the greeting...
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Even if you asked, the beginning of the contradiction is from "sanna," meaning to innovate in Islam. At that time, it would be a contradiction, or do you have an understanding other than this?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : No, let it go.
The questioner : No, no, no, that is not what...
The Shaykh : ...passed.
The questioner : Yes, may Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : Sīn Jīm. Do you understand "sanna" in your view to mean to innovate or something else? What is the meaning?
The questioner : ...for drawing near to Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He).
The Shaykh : Error.
Another questioner: And every bid'ah (religious innovation) is misguidance. The bid'ah itself, what is it? This is the important point... the bid'ah is shirk (associating partners with Allah) in worship.
... .
The questioner : No, no, no, he just needs to understand, meaning.
The Shaykh : I did not deny that he needs to understand; I am emphasizing that he needs to understand, but there is an understanding without...
The questioner : ...that the bid'ah is in the form of, meaning, something good.
The Shaykh : ...or do I ask him and he does not answer me? ...I am asking you, "sanna" means to innovate? Say no, say yes, say whatever you want.
The questioner : I say whatever you want.
The Shaykh : Meaning, what do you understand from the hadith?
The Shaykh : Correct your phrasing; one does not say "one of your writings."
The questioner : I do not know.
The Shaykh : No, "one" is masculine, "writings" is feminine; you should say "one of."
The questioner : Yes, that is fine. I am not a grammarian.
The Shaykh : You are an Arab.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Heh, yes.
The questioner : I was in a scholarly gathering, and this gathering touched upon the knowledge of tawhid (the oneness of Allah).
The Shaykh : Good.
The questioner : So... their speech was with words you said. You said, "Our Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah erred in such-and-such an issue." Did you say...?
The Shaykh : ...Ibn Taymiyyah. We... a scholar among the scholars errs and hits the mark. How could it be otherwise? It is possible.
The questioner : Do you believe that Ibn Taymiyyah said in this issue, for example?
The Shaykh : You are now...
Another questioner: The perishing of Paradise and the Fire.
The questioner : The perishing of Paradise and the Fire. Do you believe that Ibn Taymiyyah said this issue?
The Shaykh : ...I believe.
The questioner : In which of his writings, for example?
The Shaykh : I have an introduction of fifty pages and more in which I explained this topic and quoted the words of Ibn Taymiyyah, some from the printed and some from the manuscript, and the clear words of Ibn al-Qayyim, his student, in his book "Hadi al-Arwah ila Bilad al-Afrah".
The questioner : ...Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah says in... the Nuniyyah poem, and this is well known, that he who says that Paradise and the Fire perish has committed kufr (disbelief). And I mention this statement from our Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah.
The Shaykh : How? This could be... al-Kalim al-Tayyib... Ibn al-Qayyim says, and I quoted this statement there and explained that this was in a stage of his study. Ibn al-Qayyim says in this book of his, "al-Wabil al-Sayb fi al-Kalim al-Tayyib", that the Fire is two fires: a Fire that perishes, which is the Fire of the monotheists, and a Fire that remains, which is the Fire of the disbelievers. So I said at that time that perhaps this is what he meant when he said it; it was the end of his study and his scholarly maturity. It is a long research on this, meaning... in my opinion and belief, on the topic from all its angles.
And then, I do not care about the person; I care about whoever may say this statement, meaning, and there are those who say it.
The questioner : Please, go ahead.
The Shaykh : Please, do not worry, please, my lord, meaning... whoever met...
If one of you enters a gathering, let him offer the greeting, and if he leaves, let him offer the greeting; the first is not more deserving than the second.
إذا دخل أحدكم المجلس فليسلم وإذا خرج فليسلم، ليست الأولى بأحق من الأخرىAnd by Him in whose hand is my soul, you will not enter Paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Shall I inform you of something that, if you do it, you will love one another? Spread the greeting among yourselves.
والذي نفس محمد بيده لا تدخلوا الجنة حتى تؤمنوا ولا تؤمنوا حتى تحابوا، ألا أدلكم على شيء إذا فعلتموه تحاببتم أفشوا السلام بينكمTen
عشرTwenty
عشرونThirty
ثلاثونThe first said, "Peace be upon you," and ten were written for him. The second added, so Allah increased for him, and he said, "Twenty." The third completed it and said, "Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allah and His blessings," so he had thirty.
الأول قال السلام عليكم كتبت له عشر الثاني زاد فزاد الله له قال عشرون الثالث أتمها فقال السلام عليكم ورحمة الله و بركاته فله ثلاثونThe questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ...anyone. Here comes the well-known verse:
when you are greeted with a greeting, greet [in return] with one better than it or [at least] return it [in a like manner]
فإذا حييتم بتحية فحيوا بأحسن منها أو ردوهاThe questioner : ...a small question?
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner :
He who sets a good precedent in Islam, there is a reward for him for this (act of goodness) and reward of that also who acted according to it subsequently
من سنّ سنّة فله أجرها و أجر من عمل بهاThe Shaykh :
he who sets in Islam an evil precedent
من سن في الإسلام سنّة سيّئةThe questioner : ...meaning, are the two hadiths considered contradictory or what? ...He said, if he added more, he would have more reward, or it increased in the hadith of the greeting...
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Even if you asked, the beginning of the contradiction is from "sanna," meaning to innovate in Islam. At that time, it would be a contradiction, or do you have an understanding other than this?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : No, let it go.
The questioner : No, no, no, that is not what...
The Shaykh : ...passed.
The questioner : Yes, may Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : Sīn Jīm. Do you understand "sanna" in your view to mean to innovate or something else? What is the meaning?
The questioner : ...for drawing near to Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He).
The Shaykh : Error.
Another questioner: And every bid'ah (religious innovation) is misguidance. The bid'ah itself, what is it? This is the important point... the bid'ah is shirk (associating partners with Allah) in worship.
... .
The questioner : No, no, no, he just needs to understand, meaning.
The Shaykh : I did not deny that he needs to understand; I am emphasizing that he needs to understand, but there is an understanding without...
The questioner : ...that the bid'ah is in the form of, meaning, something good.
The Shaykh : ...or do I ask him and he does not answer me? ...I am asking you, "sanna" means to innovate? Say no, say yes, say whatever you want.
The questioner : I say whatever you want.
The Shaykh : Meaning, what do you understand from the hadith?