Did Ibn al-Madini have the same condition as al-Bukhari?
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The Shaykh : This is the answer to your first question.
The questioner : The second question
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Regarding the mun'an hadith, which Muslim discussed in his Sahih
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Some people say that he meant al-Bukhari, and some say he meant Ibn al-Madini. I want to know which of the two is the stronger position. This is the first part, the second branch. Did al-Bukhari have the same condition as Ibn Ma'in and Ibn al-Madini, as the Hafiz stated, or does it differ, as some hadith scholars say?
The Shaykh : The first question does not benefit you in any way.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : What benefit is there if you know whether it was al-Bukhari, or Yahya ibn al-Madini, or Yahya ibn Ma'in?
The questioner : That is all.
The Shaykh : Therefore, leave these questions aside, because answering them may cause harm rather than benefit.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : If we told you, for example, that this was al-Bukhari, you would say, "Oh, these are from a long time ago; they are scholars who fought each other and opposed each other, and so on." No, it is better to keep it hidden. The important thing is that you know with whom the truth lies.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : Okay, and your second question seems to concede the first one. It is as if I am saying, "Give me time, because I may not have fully grasped it, so let me repeat it to myself to think about it again."
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : Let me repeat it to myself.
The questioner : Regarding this, it is as if I read an article, if I still remember it, in which some people distinguished al-Bukhari's condition from Ibn al-Madini's condition. Then al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar refuted that, saying that their condition is one.
The Shaykh : I do not know; I do not have an answer to this question.
The questioner : So, next time, I will answer you with the same phrase from the book you read, which is better.
The Shaykh : There is no objection.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : And beware of it.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Another questioner : Shaykh, excuse me, I have an appointment.
The Shaykh : It says that as soon as the so-called prince entered, we stood up. When he sat down, we sat down. And "peace be upon you." What happened? It became another rumor that such-and-such a Pasha is coming. We entered, stood up, and sat down. Yes.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
The questioner : Our Shaykh, we imposed on you, but only to correct the question.
The Shaykh : Please go ahead.
The questioner : Ibn Kathir says in al-Ba'ith fi Ikhtisar 'Ulum al-Hadith: "It was said that he meant al-Bukhari, but it appears that he meant 'Ali ibn al-Madini, because he makes that a condition for the original validity of the hadith. As for al-Bukhari, he does not make it a condition for the original validity, but he committed to it in his book, al-Sahih." This is the question, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Okay
The questioner : Ibn Hajar refutes this claim, saying: "No—using his exact phrase—he claimed that al-Bukhari committed to it in his book, not in the original validity, and he erred in this claim. Rather, this is a condition for the original validity with al-Bukhari."
The Shaykh : Yes, what is your question now?
The questioner : My question now is: Is al-Bukhari's condition for the original validity, or only as Ibn Kathir said, in al-Sahih?
The Shaykh : No, in all the hadiths.
The questioner : All the hadiths.
The Shaykh : Whether they are in al-Sahih or outside al-Sahih.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : May Allah preserve you. Welcome.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
Another questioner : Our Shaykh, this is 'Isam.
The Shaykh : The point is that recently a rumor started that such-and-such a minister was coming, and eyes were turned toward him. We entered and stood up. The point of my story is that he said, "I have not seen myself doing anything but standing and sitting. One person entered, we stood up; we had not yet sat down when the next one entered, we stood up; we had not yet sat down when the third one entered, and so on." In the end, he said to me, "By Allah, the only thing that will save us from this fatigue is that we return to the statement of al-Albani, who says that the Sunnah is that there is no standing up." So, this is Ibn Battah, may Allah have mercy on him. It appears that he was strict in this matter. It was even known to that scholar sitting in the shop, who said to him, "I want to stand up for you, even if your opinion differs from mine, but I want to respect your opinion."
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : And to you.
The questioner : The second question
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Regarding the mun'an hadith, which Muslim discussed in his Sahih
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Some people say that he meant al-Bukhari, and some say he meant Ibn al-Madini. I want to know which of the two is the stronger position. This is the first part, the second branch. Did al-Bukhari have the same condition as Ibn Ma'in and Ibn al-Madini, as the Hafiz stated, or does it differ, as some hadith scholars say?
The Shaykh : The first question does not benefit you in any way.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : What benefit is there if you know whether it was al-Bukhari, or Yahya ibn al-Madini, or Yahya ibn Ma'in?
The questioner : That is all.
The Shaykh : Therefore, leave these questions aside, because answering them may cause harm rather than benefit.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : If we told you, for example, that this was al-Bukhari, you would say, "Oh, these are from a long time ago; they are scholars who fought each other and opposed each other, and so on." No, it is better to keep it hidden. The important thing is that you know with whom the truth lies.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : Okay, and your second question seems to concede the first one. It is as if I am saying, "Give me time, because I may not have fully grasped it, so let me repeat it to myself to think about it again."
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : Let me repeat it to myself.
The questioner : Regarding this, it is as if I read an article, if I still remember it, in which some people distinguished al-Bukhari's condition from Ibn al-Madini's condition. Then al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar refuted that, saying that their condition is one.
The Shaykh : I do not know; I do not have an answer to this question.
The questioner : So, next time, I will answer you with the same phrase from the book you read, which is better.
The Shaykh : There is no objection.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : And beware of it.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Another questioner : Shaykh, excuse me, I have an appointment.
The Shaykh : It says that as soon as the so-called prince entered, we stood up. When he sat down, we sat down. And "peace be upon you." What happened? It became another rumor that such-and-such a Pasha is coming. We entered, stood up, and sat down. Yes.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
The questioner : Our Shaykh, we imposed on you, but only to correct the question.
The Shaykh : Please go ahead.
The questioner : Ibn Kathir says in al-Ba'ith fi Ikhtisar 'Ulum al-Hadith: "It was said that he meant al-Bukhari, but it appears that he meant 'Ali ibn al-Madini, because he makes that a condition for the original validity of the hadith. As for al-Bukhari, he does not make it a condition for the original validity, but he committed to it in his book, al-Sahih." This is the question, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Okay
The questioner : Ibn Hajar refutes this claim, saying: "No—using his exact phrase—he claimed that al-Bukhari committed to it in his book, not in the original validity, and he erred in this claim. Rather, this is a condition for the original validity with al-Bukhari."
The Shaykh : Yes, what is your question now?
The questioner : My question now is: Is al-Bukhari's condition for the original validity, or only as Ibn Kathir said, in al-Sahih?
The Shaykh : No, in all the hadiths.
The questioner : All the hadiths.
The Shaykh : Whether they are in al-Sahih or outside al-Sahih.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : May Allah preserve you. Welcome.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
Another questioner : Our Shaykh, this is 'Isam.
The Shaykh : The point is that recently a rumor started that such-and-such a minister was coming, and eyes were turned toward him. We entered and stood up. The point of my story is that he said, "I have not seen myself doing anything but standing and sitting. One person entered, we stood up; we had not yet sat down when the next one entered, we stood up; we had not yet sat down when the third one entered, and so on." In the end, he said to me, "By Allah, the only thing that will save us from this fatigue is that we return to the statement of al-Albani, who says that the Sunnah is that there is no standing up." So, this is Ibn Battah, may Allah have mercy on him. It appears that he was strict in this matter. It was even known to that scholar sitting in the shop, who said to him, "I want to stand up for you, even if your opinion differs from mine, but I want to respect your opinion."
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : And to you.
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