And the narration that says that the son of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq entered upon him, what is its value?
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The Shaykh : And the narration that says that the son of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq entered upon him, what is its value?
The questioner : The narrations that came regarding the accusation of Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr al-Siddiq in the killing of Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him) are not authentic except that he entered upon him, and Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him) admonished him, so he left and abandoned him.
The Shaykh : Praise be to Allah.
The questioner : This is what Ibn Abd al-Barr narrated in his book al-Ishtiba' with a good chain of transmission.
The Shaykh : Yes, I found biographies for the narrators of Ibn Abd al-Barr's chain from its beginning to its end?
The questioner : He transmitted it from Asad ibn Musa; he transmitted this narration from Asad ibn Musa!
The Shaykh : And Asad ibn Musa, from whom?
The questioner : Asad ibn Musa from Zuhr ibn Mu'awiya from Kinanah, the freed slave of Safiyyah, and then he mentioned that Kinanah witnessed the Day of the House, and I mentioned the statement regarding Kinanah.
The Shaykh : May Allah have mercy on the questioner, I asked you: are all the narrators of this narration biographed and are they all trustworthy? I said he transmitted it from Asad ibn Musa; this is not an answer to the question, is it clear?
The questioner : Yes, meaning the chain from Asad ibn Musa to its end, or from Ibn Abd al-Barr to Asad ibn Musa!
The Shaykh : Ibn Abd al-Barr.
The questioner : Asad ibn Musa is an author, and he is being quoted from directly without a chain; Ibn Abd al-Barr quoted from Asad ibn Musa without a chain.
The Shaykh : So here it is not correct to say it is with a good chain.
The questioner : Because he transmitted it from him as a quotation.
The Shaykh : You are saying because of what? What is this explanatory clause explaining? I am saying it is not correct to say, given the situation as I explained just now, that it is a good chain; it is not permissible to say the chain is good because this is a suspended chain in Ibn Abd al-Barr, is it not so?
The questioner : Yes, but I say the chain is good considering from Asad ibn Musa.
The Shaykh : Yes, it is not said, it is not said at that time that Ibn Abd al-Barr's chain is good.
The questioner : Yes, it is not said that Ibn Abd al-Barr's chain is with a good chain absolutely, and the source is from Asad ibn Musa.
The Shaykh : You say it is permissible for you to say, may Allah reward you, Asad ibn Musa narrated it, but the question will come to you: where is the chain to Asad? We do not know. If the chain is not authentic, because its ruling is the ruling of suspended hadiths, and if you wish I say the disconnected hadith, then between Ibn Abd al-Barr and Asad ibn Musa there are deserts, so it should be known.
The questioner : The narrations that came regarding the accusation of Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr al-Siddiq in the killing of Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him) are not authentic except that he entered upon him, and Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him) admonished him, so he left and abandoned him.
The Shaykh : Praise be to Allah.
The questioner : This is what Ibn Abd al-Barr narrated in his book al-Ishtiba' with a good chain of transmission.
The Shaykh : Yes, I found biographies for the narrators of Ibn Abd al-Barr's chain from its beginning to its end?
The questioner : He transmitted it from Asad ibn Musa; he transmitted this narration from Asad ibn Musa!
The Shaykh : And Asad ibn Musa, from whom?
The questioner : Asad ibn Musa from Zuhr ibn Mu'awiya from Kinanah, the freed slave of Safiyyah, and then he mentioned that Kinanah witnessed the Day of the House, and I mentioned the statement regarding Kinanah.
The Shaykh : May Allah have mercy on the questioner, I asked you: are all the narrators of this narration biographed and are they all trustworthy? I said he transmitted it from Asad ibn Musa; this is not an answer to the question, is it clear?
The questioner : Yes, meaning the chain from Asad ibn Musa to its end, or from Ibn Abd al-Barr to Asad ibn Musa!
The Shaykh : Ibn Abd al-Barr.
The questioner : Asad ibn Musa is an author, and he is being quoted from directly without a chain; Ibn Abd al-Barr quoted from Asad ibn Musa without a chain.
The Shaykh : So here it is not correct to say it is with a good chain.
The questioner : Because he transmitted it from him as a quotation.
The Shaykh : You are saying because of what? What is this explanatory clause explaining? I am saying it is not correct to say, given the situation as I explained just now, that it is a good chain; it is not permissible to say the chain is good because this is a suspended chain in Ibn Abd al-Barr, is it not so?
The questioner : Yes, but I say the chain is good considering from Asad ibn Musa.
The Shaykh : Yes, it is not said, it is not said at that time that Ibn Abd al-Barr's chain is good.
The questioner : Yes, it is not said that Ibn Abd al-Barr's chain is with a good chain absolutely, and the source is from Asad ibn Musa.
The Shaykh : You say it is permissible for you to say, may Allah reward you, Asad ibn Musa narrated it, but the question will come to you: where is the chain to Asad? We do not know. If the chain is not authentic, because its ruling is the ruling of suspended hadiths, and if you wish I say the disconnected hadith, then between Ibn Abd al-Barr and Asad ibn Musa there are deserts, so it should be known.
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