Is the statement of al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar, as transmitted by al-Suyuti and from him Ahmad Shakir, (If Ibn Khuzaymah places the text before the chain, this is a weakening of it, and if he places the chain before the text, he is on the right path...) correct based on experience?
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The questioner: Our Shaykh, regarding the issue of Ibn Khuzaymah, I came across his words, which are found in the book al-Ba'ith al-Hathith, which has your annotations... He says, if Ibn Khuzaymah places the text before the chain, this means it is a weakening of it, and if he places the chain before the text, he is on the right path. In his book al-Sahih, it appears that this is the statement of Ahmad Shakir or something similar to it. Is this statement correct?
The Shaykh: This meaning is not settled, or this rule is not established in my mind. But what I remember well of his practice is that he opens a chapter and says, "If the hadith is authentic, then it contains so-and-so," and I do not know whether it is regarding his integrity or a defect or something similar to this, then he presents the text, and then he presents the chain.
The questioner: He starts with the text, and at the end he says, "So-and-so informed us," and he presents the chain. But is this consistent in every case?
The Shaykh: I answered you, I do not know this rule about him.
The questioner : May Allah reward you.
Another questioner: I have in front of me a summary of al-Dhahabi's critique of al-Hakim... So when mentioning this text with the pin, he said, "I said, with the pin, meaning with strength, because the pin..."
The Shaykh : That is it.
The questioner: Perhaps the word "with strength" means that he authenticates it with strength... that he approves of it, not that he strikes it. The interpretation that our brother 'Ali read is different from what I understood from your words.
The Shaykh: Yes, it is undoubtedly a difference, but does the hadith bear authentication with strength?
The questioner: Here, what is the strength?
The Shaykh : Please.
The questioner: Our brother Sa'd al-Humaydi says this, and al-Dhahabi did not clarify the reason for his critique of al-Hakim in his authentication of the hadith.
The Shaykh: This is a critique, he returns and says, a critique.
The questioner: Ah, it is a critique, of course a critique.
The Shaykh: And in the second interpretation, he says, support.
The questioner: In the first place, our Shaykh, al-Hakim's book, Ibn al-Muqri's book, is the things he critiqued.
The Shaykh: I know.
The questioner: This is his condition.
The Shaykh: But what is the meaning of the first statement, it does not meet with the last statement.
The questioner: It is possible he means that it is good, he moved it from authenticity to goodness, it is possible.
The Shaykh: Okay, continue his words.
The questioner: He says this, and al-Dhahabi does not clarify the reason for his critique of al-Hakim in his authentication of the hadith, but in the chain of the hadith are Abu Yusuf the Qadi and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Shaybani, the two companions of Abu Hanifah (may Allah have mercy on him). As for Abu Yusuf, his name is such-and-such, he speaks about himself, meaning the weakening of them or what was said about them.
The Shaykh: Do you think al-Dhahabi authenticates for Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Shaybani or grades it as good?
The questioner: I do not think in the books.
The Shaykh: This meaning is not settled, or this rule is not established in my mind. But what I remember well of his practice is that he opens a chapter and says, "If the hadith is authentic, then it contains so-and-so," and I do not know whether it is regarding his integrity or a defect or something similar to this, then he presents the text, and then he presents the chain.
The questioner: He starts with the text, and at the end he says, "So-and-so informed us," and he presents the chain. But is this consistent in every case?
The Shaykh: I answered you, I do not know this rule about him.
The questioner : May Allah reward you.
Another questioner: I have in front of me a summary of al-Dhahabi's critique of al-Hakim... So when mentioning this text with the pin, he said, "I said, with the pin, meaning with strength, because the pin..."
The Shaykh : That is it.
The questioner: Perhaps the word "with strength" means that he authenticates it with strength... that he approves of it, not that he strikes it. The interpretation that our brother 'Ali read is different from what I understood from your words.
The Shaykh: Yes, it is undoubtedly a difference, but does the hadith bear authentication with strength?
The questioner: Here, what is the strength?
The Shaykh : Please.
The questioner: Our brother Sa'd al-Humaydi says this, and al-Dhahabi did not clarify the reason for his critique of al-Hakim in his authentication of the hadith.
The Shaykh: This is a critique, he returns and says, a critique.
The questioner: Ah, it is a critique, of course a critique.
The Shaykh: And in the second interpretation, he says, support.
The questioner: In the first place, our Shaykh, al-Hakim's book, Ibn al-Muqri's book, is the things he critiqued.
The Shaykh: I know.
The questioner: This is his condition.
The Shaykh: But what is the meaning of the first statement, it does not meet with the last statement.
The questioner: It is possible he means that it is good, he moved it from authenticity to goodness, it is possible.
The Shaykh: Okay, continue his words.
The questioner: He says this, and al-Dhahabi does not clarify the reason for his critique of al-Hakim in his authentication of the hadith, but in the chain of the hadith are Abu Yusuf the Qadi and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Shaybani, the two companions of Abu Hanifah (may Allah have mercy on him). As for Abu Yusuf, his name is such-and-such, he speaks about himself, meaning the weakening of them or what was said about them.
The Shaykh: Do you think al-Dhahabi authenticates for Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Shaybani or grades it as good?
The questioner: I do not think in the books.
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