Can it not be said that this falls under the Arabs' saying, "Two do not differ on it, and two goats do not butt heads over it"?
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The questioner : What Allah willed.
Another questioner : ... And it seems to me that this is the point of difficulty for our brother Abu al-Hasan. Is it not said that this is among the Arabs' usages, as they said, "Two do not differ on it, and two goats do not butt heads over it," meaning it is a case of attributing to them a disagreement with something in reality, as you mentioned in the latter part?
The Shaykh : This is, I mean, an explanation of what was mentioned.
Another questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, this is possible, because the intended meaning is the sense, not the wording.Another questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : The Hafiz al-Dhahabi (may Allah have mercy on him) says, "Two do not agree to authenticate a weak narrator, nor to weaken a trustworthy one."
The Shaykh : Before that.
The questioner : From the beginning, "Qad," but this religion is supported and preserved by Allah the Exalted. Its scholars do not agree on misguidance, whether intentionally or by mistake. Therefore, two do not agree to authenticate a weak narrator, nor to weaken a trustworthy one.
The Shaykh : That is it.
The questioner : It appeared to me that the statementThe Shaykh : in the first part is different from the statement of our brother Ali in the latter part. The statement of our brother Ali, I see it is on a side other than what he mentioned.The Shaykh : What he mentioned is that our Shaykh says that Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He, will not leave this community in misguidance. So, it means that two will not agree to authenticate a weak narrator unless Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He, sends someone to clarify that they made a mistake.
The Shaykh : But I do not think that Abu al-Harith means a disagreement with this.The questioner : But his disagreement, I ask him, is that he says this is regarding those who say, "Two do not differ on this matter." His saying, "Two do not differ on this matter, and two goats do not butt heads over it," seems to be a matter of consensus. The statement of our brother Abu al-Harith is in a category other than this, our Shaykh.
Another questioner : From here, the thing is that one of the scholars of Algeria, named Shihawi, explained this phrase in his commentary on *al-I'lam wa al-Tawbikh*, not *al-I'lam*, ah, *al-I'lam wa al-Tawbikh* by al-Sakhawi. He mentioned in it the thing I just said, meaning quoting from him.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : So this is, I mean, from the category of interpretation by one of the scholars or something like that. The intended meaning of the phrase, as I understand it and from which I derived evidence, is to support the statement of our Shaykh. Repeat your phrase so we understand what is intended. It does not appear to me, our Shaykh, that his statement agrees with your statement.
Another questioner : ... And it seems to me that this is the point of difficulty for our brother Abu al-Hasan. Is it not said that this is among the Arabs' usages, as they said, "Two do not differ on it, and two goats do not butt heads over it," meaning it is a case of attributing to them a disagreement with something in reality, as you mentioned in the latter part?
The Shaykh : This is, I mean, an explanation of what was mentioned.
Another questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, this is possible, because the intended meaning is the sense, not the wording.Another questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : The Hafiz al-Dhahabi (may Allah have mercy on him) says, "Two do not agree to authenticate a weak narrator, nor to weaken a trustworthy one."
The Shaykh : Before that.
The questioner : From the beginning, "Qad," but this religion is supported and preserved by Allah the Exalted. Its scholars do not agree on misguidance, whether intentionally or by mistake. Therefore, two do not agree to authenticate a weak narrator, nor to weaken a trustworthy one.
The Shaykh : That is it.
The questioner : It appeared to me that the statementThe Shaykh : in the first part is different from the statement of our brother Ali in the latter part. The statement of our brother Ali, I see it is on a side other than what he mentioned.The Shaykh : What he mentioned is that our Shaykh says that Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He, will not leave this community in misguidance. So, it means that two will not agree to authenticate a weak narrator unless Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He, sends someone to clarify that they made a mistake.
The Shaykh : But I do not think that Abu al-Harith means a disagreement with this.The questioner : But his disagreement, I ask him, is that he says this is regarding those who say, "Two do not differ on this matter." His saying, "Two do not differ on this matter, and two goats do not butt heads over it," seems to be a matter of consensus. The statement of our brother Abu al-Harith is in a category other than this, our Shaykh.
Another questioner : From here, the thing is that one of the scholars of Algeria, named Shihawi, explained this phrase in his commentary on *al-I'lam wa al-Tawbikh*, not *al-I'lam*, ah, *al-I'lam wa al-Tawbikh* by al-Sakhawi. He mentioned in it the thing I just said, meaning quoting from him.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : So this is, I mean, from the category of interpretation by one of the scholars or something like that. The intended meaning of the phrase, as I understand it and from which I derived evidence, is to support the statement of our Shaykh. Repeat your phrase so we understand what is intended. It does not appear to me, our Shaykh, that his statement agrees with your statement.
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