Discussion of the hadith: “Its water is purifying and its dead are lawful” from the perspective of the chain of narration.
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The questioner : My Shaykh, regarding the narrator, if he narrates the hadith through a lower chain and a higher chain, what does that mean? I mean, what is the implication of a narrator narrating a hadith through a lower chain and a higher chain?
The Shaykh : You say it becomes everything, but I do not understand what this question is.
The questioner : Give us an example.
The Shaykh : No, before the example, what is the purpose of the question? Does it become valid or not?
The questioner : The purpose is that there is a hadith we are studying, and we found that you left out a route. If it is valid, we would like to see your opinion on the matter.
The Shaykh : What is it?
The questioner : A supporting narration (mutaba'ah) from al-Jalakh, Abu Kathir.
The Shaykh : A supporting narration from whom?
The questioner : The hadith about the sea isSunan Abi Dawud 83Sahih (Al-Albani). Al-Jalakh, Abu Kathir, in one of the routes of the hadith, is a Tabi'i (successor) of Safwan ibn Sulaym. Do you remember, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : No, I do not remember. You clarify what you mean by your question.
The questioner : Al-Jalakh, Abu Kathir, narrated the hadith twice: once from Sa'id ibn Sulaym and once from al-Mughirah ibn Abi Burdah. You considered Abu al-Jalakh’s narration here to be a fabrication of the first type, namely Yahya ibn Bakir. So the follow-up question is: why cannot al-Jalakh, Abu Kathir, have narrated the hadith once through a higher chain and once through a lower chain?
The Shaykh : When you put the book and the phrase in front of me, here, give it to me. And then, al-Jalakh, are you sure it is pronounced with a dammah on the jīm?
The questioner : Yes, al-Jalakh.
The Shaykh : Because I am hearing it as “Jināḥ.” Do you have the end of the topic memorized? In any case, there is a consideration regarding the establishment of this context from Yahya, because the narrator from him, 'Ubayd ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab ibn Sharif, is also subject to criticism. The conclusion of the topic, well, then the consideration regarding the ease in the house.
The questioner : My question here now is, how, my Shaykh, you said first that he inserted between al-Layth...
The Shaykh : Yes, my brother, this is when the chain to him is authentic, your statement is refuted.
The questioner : When it is authentic?
The Shaykh : The chain to him refutes your statement. As for you, you look at the conclusion, for indeed deeds are judged by their endings.
The questioner : Our Shaykh, this hadith.
The Shaykh : You go back to the beginning, look at the end.
The questioner : Okay, regarding the hadith of Qutaybah, is it not authentic?
The Shaykh : Go back and read your research in the house, look at the end.
The questioner : Shaykh, allow me.
The Shaykh : What am I allowing you? You have here two narrators who differed.
The questioner : I have two narrators who differed.
The Shaykh : Did they differ in the chain?
The questioner : Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh : And one of them is more trustworthy than the other. Well, in such a difference, what is said?
The questioner : It is said, of course, that the statement of the more trustworthy one is preferred.
The Shaykh : Very good. On this basis, the research was conducted first, and then in the end, what we could have made a narration, as you want to say, we said that the narrator from this person about whom there was disagreement, regarding his reliability, has criticism of weakness in him. So the matter is concluded that the narration is one, and it is the stronger position.
The questioner : Well, excuse me, let us return briefly to the issue of contradiction. Do I personally consider this a rule for you that if a narrator, in a hadith that is from a single narration, comes through two routes, one of which is more trustworthy than the other, do I consider that if in the context there is a narrator who narrates the hadith through the higher and the lower, knowing that the hadith scholars have established his hearing from both the higher and the lower, is it merely because there is this contradiction and there is another route narrated by someone more trustworthy than him, do we consider that to be a defect in the narration?
The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you, what is the definition of an anomalous hadith (shadhdh)?
The questioner : An anomalous hadith is the contradiction of a trustworthy narrator to one who is more trustworthy than him.
The Shaykh : Does this definition not apply here?
The questioner : By Allah, my Shaykh, your opinion.
The Shaykh : It is not my opinion, it is the opinion of the hadith scholars in your mouth. If two trustworthy narrators differ in stopping, raising, sending, or connecting, to the end of it, if they are equal, the additional one is preferred, and if they differ, the narration of the more trustworthy one is preferred. This is a clear issue.
The questioner : The nature of the contradiction, because we found that al-Hakim considers this narration and does not consider that a contradiction. We also found that al-Zayla'i, in Nasb al-Ra'yah, does not consider that a contradiction.
The Shaykh : Let me, please, and al-Zayla'i, may Allah guide you, apply the rule that you believe in.
The questioner : My Shaykh, I have not yet realized in my mind that it is a contradiction, that is why I am asking you. If it had become clear that it was a contradiction, I would not have asked you at all.
The Shaykh : I did not say that. I am now telling you, which narration do you prefer?
The questioner : The narration of Qutaybah.
The Shaykh : Qutaybah, well, and the weaker one?
The questioner : I beg you, my Shaykh, you are now going to ask me, may Allah bless you. I, my Shaykh, have not yet considered the narration to be the weaker one, may Allah bless you. If I had considered it to be the weaker one.
The Shaykh : My brother, why are you talking? Do you have a stronger and a weaker position here or not?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : How can I not? May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Yes, excellent.
The Shaykh : What is excellent? - He laughsThe Shaykh : May Allah have mercy on him - May Allah guide you, the man here is a guest, and his time is tomorrow we will lose it, the day after tomorrow he wants to travel.
The questioner : May Allah keep him well.
The Shaykh : And therefore, now, without giving him the space to criticize us and waste his time, you, may Allah will it, are residing here, and may Allah will it, we will see you every new moon.
The Shaykh : You say it becomes everything, but I do not understand what this question is.
The questioner : Give us an example.
The Shaykh : No, before the example, what is the purpose of the question? Does it become valid or not?
The questioner : The purpose is that there is a hadith we are studying, and we found that you left out a route. If it is valid, we would like to see your opinion on the matter.
The Shaykh : What is it?
The questioner : A supporting narration (mutaba'ah) from al-Jalakh, Abu Kathir.
The Shaykh : A supporting narration from whom?
The questioner : The hadith about the sea is
Its water is pure and what dies in it is lawful food.
الطهور ماؤه الحل ميتتهThe Shaykh : No, I do not remember. You clarify what you mean by your question.
The questioner : Al-Jalakh, Abu Kathir, narrated the hadith twice: once from Sa'id ibn Sulaym and once from al-Mughirah ibn Abi Burdah. You considered Abu al-Jalakh’s narration here to be a fabrication of the first type, namely Yahya ibn Bakir. So the follow-up question is: why cannot al-Jalakh, Abu Kathir, have narrated the hadith once through a higher chain and once through a lower chain?
The Shaykh : When you put the book and the phrase in front of me, here, give it to me. And then, al-Jalakh, are you sure it is pronounced with a dammah on the jīm?
The questioner : Yes, al-Jalakh.
The Shaykh : Because I am hearing it as “Jināḥ.” Do you have the end of the topic memorized? In any case, there is a consideration regarding the establishment of this context from Yahya, because the narrator from him, 'Ubayd ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab ibn Sharif, is also subject to criticism. The conclusion of the topic, well, then the consideration regarding the ease in the house.
The questioner : My question here now is, how, my Shaykh, you said first that he inserted between al-Layth...
The Shaykh : Yes, my brother, this is when the chain to him is authentic, your statement is refuted.
The questioner : When it is authentic?
The Shaykh : The chain to him refutes your statement. As for you, you look at the conclusion, for indeed deeds are judged by their endings.
The questioner : Our Shaykh, this hadith.
The Shaykh : You go back to the beginning, look at the end.
The questioner : Okay, regarding the hadith of Qutaybah, is it not authentic?
The Shaykh : Go back and read your research in the house, look at the end.
The questioner : Shaykh, allow me.
The Shaykh : What am I allowing you? You have here two narrators who differed.
The questioner : I have two narrators who differed.
The Shaykh : Did they differ in the chain?
The questioner : Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh : And one of them is more trustworthy than the other. Well, in such a difference, what is said?
The questioner : It is said, of course, that the statement of the more trustworthy one is preferred.
The Shaykh : Very good. On this basis, the research was conducted first, and then in the end, what we could have made a narration, as you want to say, we said that the narrator from this person about whom there was disagreement, regarding his reliability, has criticism of weakness in him. So the matter is concluded that the narration is one, and it is the stronger position.
The questioner : Well, excuse me, let us return briefly to the issue of contradiction. Do I personally consider this a rule for you that if a narrator, in a hadith that is from a single narration, comes through two routes, one of which is more trustworthy than the other, do I consider that if in the context there is a narrator who narrates the hadith through the higher and the lower, knowing that the hadith scholars have established his hearing from both the higher and the lower, is it merely because there is this contradiction and there is another route narrated by someone more trustworthy than him, do we consider that to be a defect in the narration?
The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you, what is the definition of an anomalous hadith (shadhdh)?
The questioner : An anomalous hadith is the contradiction of a trustworthy narrator to one who is more trustworthy than him.
The Shaykh : Does this definition not apply here?
The questioner : By Allah, my Shaykh, your opinion.
The Shaykh : It is not my opinion, it is the opinion of the hadith scholars in your mouth. If two trustworthy narrators differ in stopping, raising, sending, or connecting, to the end of it, if they are equal, the additional one is preferred, and if they differ, the narration of the more trustworthy one is preferred. This is a clear issue.
The questioner : The nature of the contradiction, because we found that al-Hakim considers this narration and does not consider that a contradiction. We also found that al-Zayla'i, in Nasb al-Ra'yah, does not consider that a contradiction.
The Shaykh : Let me, please, and al-Zayla'i, may Allah guide you, apply the rule that you believe in.
The questioner : My Shaykh, I have not yet realized in my mind that it is a contradiction, that is why I am asking you. If it had become clear that it was a contradiction, I would not have asked you at all.
The Shaykh : I did not say that. I am now telling you, which narration do you prefer?
The questioner : The narration of Qutaybah.
The Shaykh : Qutaybah, well, and the weaker one?
The questioner : I beg you, my Shaykh, you are now going to ask me, may Allah bless you. I, my Shaykh, have not yet considered the narration to be the weaker one, may Allah bless you. If I had considered it to be the weaker one.
The Shaykh : My brother, why are you talking? Do you have a stronger and a weaker position here or not?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : How can I not? May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Yes, excellent.
The Shaykh : What is excellent? - He laughsThe Shaykh : May Allah have mercy on him - May Allah guide you, the man here is a guest, and his time is tomorrow we will lose it, the day after tomorrow he wants to travel.
The questioner : May Allah keep him well.
The Shaykh : And therefore, now, without giving him the space to criticize us and waste his time, you, may Allah will it, are residing here, and may Allah will it, we will see you every new moon.
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