Continuation of Tape No. 251.

The Shaykh : ... He said, (peace be upon him): The Dabbah heard the punishment of the two graves, so it inquired about them, (peace be upon him), and they were asked, and they said to it that they had died in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance; if they had died, they would have died, and this is a necessary hadith that your companion here denies, because no warner came to them, and who is he? I think it is 'Adi ibn Hatim when he asked about his father, and that he was noble and such, so does that benefit him? He said: No, because he did not say one day, "My Lord, forgive me my sin on the Day of Judgment."
Al-Halabi : Lady Aisha, Lady Aisha, when she asked about him...

The Shaykh : Ah... these people all died in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance; so if we want to deny Islamic history, which has nothing more authentic than it, nothing comparable to it in authenticity in this twisted way due to a misunderstanding of the noble verses; so now, have the Europeans and Americans received the call, or do we ask: did a warner come to them? No warner came to them. Did a warner come to them in the second sense? I am not saying it came to them, and I am not saying it did not come. I am giving you the idea: I am not saying it came, nor am I saying it did not come. This happened between me and one of the shaykhs, a professor at the university, the first time I went to Madinah. We were staying up late that night, and the gathering was full of shaykhs who are university professors. This topic was raised, and one of them claimed... but there is a difference between you and him: he is a professor, and you are not a professor. And a second benefit: he was not in a hurry like you were; he was deliberate and said, "The call reached them, my brother. These Arabic radio stations reach the whole world; this Qur'an is recited day and night." I smiled at him, laughing, and said to him, "Professor, this Qur'an, you do not need the Arabs to understand it, for they do not have the ability to understand it, so what about the non-Arabs? What do the British and Germans know, and so on." That they are not going to understand anything. There was a long and very long discussion about the topic. The point is that a person should not get involved and say that a warner came to them in the second sense, meaning the call, nor say that it did not come to them. It is not for us to judge people; these are the Lord of the Worlds. So we say: whoever Allah knows that the Islamic call reached him and he rejected it, as He said: then he is a disbeliever who will remain in the Fire forever. And whoever it did not reach him, it is not so. As for whether it reached them or not, I am going to tell you: do you know if the people in the North and South Poles received it? How would we know? I tell you, the Germans, compared to others, the call did not reach them except a few individuals among them. Why? Who will convey the call to them? The Qur'an says: So what is the benefit of us broadcasting the Qur'an day and night when they do not know its meaning? So we cannot say that the call reached these people. But there must be individuals among them to whom the call reached. There are individuals among them, but you should imagine these individuals are specifically from among their intellectuals, meaning the priests and monks. There is no doubt that some of them knew the truth. Some of them believed and concealed their faith, some of them believed and declared their Islam, and some of them disbelieved, and history repeats itself. I do not know if you were there when this happened. I do not know his name; it was al-Nabulsi, what was his name? Mazen. The professor was present and the brother was present. One Nabulsi said that he went to the Al-Quds library; there is a library there with millions of books. What did he say?

The questioner : Millions of books.

The Shaykh : Six million books.
Al-Halabi : He said it is the largest library in the world after the Congress.

The Shaykh : In Jerusalem, the Jews, may Allah kill them, established there a library, he said in it six million books, and he contacted there and got to know a Polish orientalist, you see his age is around seventy-seven years, and he speaks standard Arabic, and you would not think he is anything but a Muslim, and he has knowledge of the hadith...
Al-Halabi : His specialization is hadith and his study is a doctorate and a professorship in hadith, meaning the Prophetic hadith.

The Shaykh : And then the man, as they say in the foreign language, has professors, meaning teachers who learn from him; because he is of advanced age; and this Nabulsi has some information, not bad, in the science of hadith, he used to sit with him and discuss with him, this orientalist admits before his professors that he learns from al-Nabulsi, al-Nabulsi is one of our brothers, a young man, what did he tell us? That sometimes phrases come out of him that indicate his Islam.
Al-Halabi : He said when he mentions the Prophet, he says (peace and blessings be upon him), and when he mentions Allah, he says (Glorified and Exalted is He), or 'Umar ibn al-Khattab or the Companions, he says (may Allah be pleased with them), meaning he does nothing but this.

The Shaykh : And he mentioned the issue that one of the attendees said to him, did you mean, what, did you become a Muslim?
Al-Halabi : So he said to him, why not, so one time in a lesson, he was speaking like this during a lecture at the university, so one person was talking to him that we hear you when you mention the Prophet, you say such and such, so did you become a Muslim? So he said to him, why not, in Hebrew.

The Shaykh : Meaning his style of speech is the style of a Muslim.
Al-Halabi : A reader of the book of Asceticism by Hanad and manuscripts and such, a reader of books, we told the Shaykh, the books, I swear to Allah, meaning that from the books and manuscripts, he is rarer than rare to know them, and I do not say he requests them from the people of knowledge or from the scholars or something like that.

The questioner : What is your position regarding him...?
Al-Halabi: HeThe Shaykh : He said, perhaps he is one of those who conceal their faith, like this man.

The Shaykh : Yes, we have now seen that a man like this may be a Muslim, because he has knowledge. By the way, I recall a book that our student brothers know, called *Miftah Kunuz al-Sunnah* (The Key to the Treasures of the Sunnah). When I acquired it and realized the effort that went into it, I said at the time that since its author had studied the fourteen books of the Sunnah, he must be a Muslim. That is what I said then. Days passed, and as they say in our region of Sham, I was sitting in the Hashemite Arab Library of 'Abd, may Allah have mercy on him, when an issue of the old *Al-Hilal* magazine by Georgi Zaydan fell into my hands. There was an article published by this wicked German who wrote *Miftah Kunuz al-Sunnah*, "Freske." They published an article by one of the Egyptian Muslim writers responding to Freske by quoting words from him in which he explicitly stated that Muhammad was a man who, as he says today, was a genius and a schemer, and so on. He claimed prophethood and was able, through his intellect and cleverness, to gather the Arabs around him. Yet he denied prophethood. So he did not benefit at all; he did not benefit at all from the books he studied. He was able to compile this index that brings the distant close, as is known to us. The point is, we do not say that this British, French, or German people are Muslims or that the message reached them. Allah knows who the call reached. This also reminds me of this statement: "Whoever the call reached as it was revealed in its foundations and principles, and he did not believe, is destined for Hell." I said to the one I was discussing this with at the university, "Do you know the activity of the Qadiyyan in many foreign countries, particularly in Germany and Britain? Who among these people are converting to the Islam of the Qadiyyan? The Qadiyyan are disbelievers. Yes, they pray and perform Hajj, but they deny what is known of the religion by necessity. Among these things is that they claim there are prophets after the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). They distort the verses and twist them, and so on. They deny the existence of a world called the world of the jinn. They deny it and say that the jinn mentioned in the Surah al-Jinn in the Qur'an are interpreted to mean that the jinn are a synonym for humans, a synonym for *ins* (humans), just as we say *ins* and *bashar* (humans) mean the same thing. What is the case with them? *Ins*, *bashar*, and *jinn* all mean the same thing. You bring them the verses that say: It is all *ta'wil* (figurative interpretation), which is *ta'til* (denial of the divine attributes). Because the reality of the matter, as Ibn al-Qayyim says in some of his books, is that "the one who denies attributes worships nothing, and the one who ascribes a body to Allah worships an idol." So these people denied and rejected legal realities. Yet many Europeans respond to the call of these people because they see in their call a pure Islam that they do not find in the Torah and the Gospel they have. So, did the call reach these people? The call did not reach them, because the call that reached them was deviated from its foundations. Therefore, if the hadith comes, there is no justification for *ta'wil* (figurative interpretation), my brothers. We have hadiths that lead to the same meaning in the dozens. If we deny them, it means we have denied the Shari'ah. And I, although I am patient, if I were to look at myself, I would find that I have no patience except to discover this person you are pointing to. Yes.