Can the proponents of this methodology define these issues?

The questioner : I wanted to add something during the discussionThe Shaykh : Abu Malik

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : I have some questions. Can the proponents of this methodology define several specific issues? In fact, they were asked to define all these issues and make them public. They should not be content, in every discussion or every ruling they issue, with merely citing the reason for rejecting the other opinion as being the view of the later scholars.

The Shaykh : Yes, that is correct.

The questioner : When this was requested of them, they did not do it. Instead, they were content with saying that they have books on this topic and have preserved writings, but they do not see the time as appropriate to print such books now.

The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : Okay, you say they have books.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : I understand from you that there is a person calling to this false call, and there are people around him.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : As with all calls, whether they are purely wrong, purely right, or somewhere in between, some people must always respond to them.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : But the implication of your words when you say they have books is: who are these people who wrote them? Their leader is one person, and he is in error and in clear misguidance. So does that mean these followers have books like this?

The questioner : Yes, because they have followers who consider themselves to be great students of knowledge.

The Shaykh : Okay, did you meet with this man?

The questioner : A long time ago.

The Shaykh : We need a recent meeting.

The questioner : But he did meet with him.

The Shaykh : A long time ago, when he was not in this misguidance, I think.

The questioner : No, the meeting did not involve details like this.

The Shaykh : This is what I want to say: if he were invited to a calm scholarly session, would he respond?

The questioner : He would not respond.

The Shaykh: Okay

The questioner : Because one of our brothers, a well-known student of knowledge, met with him at a third person's place and said to him, "Let us now discuss one of these issues."

The Shaykh : Good.

The questioner : He said, "No, I will not discuss with you," and he excused himself.

The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.

The questioner : Yes. But if one of these students comes to us and listens to him, and we discuss with him, when their argument runs out, they say, "This is not our view," or "We do not hold all these issues."

The Shaykh : There is someone among us who is more knowledgeable.

The questioner: This

The Shaykh : Okay, bring the one who is more knowledgeable than you.

The questioner : If he comes, he will not discuss. If he is present, he will not discuss.

The Shaykh : That is the point.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : Bring the scholar so you can hear the discussion and see where the truth lies.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : Where does he reside?

The questioner : In the Kingdom.

The Shaykh : I know the Kingdom.

The questioner : In Riyadh.

The Shaykh : In Riyadh.

Another questioner : I can call, Shaykh,The Shaykh : Muhammad ibn 'Uthaymeen or some of the prominent scholars, and direct a message to him from them. I think this might be a form of treatment, if the brother gives me...

The Shaykh : Okay, did he meet with the noble scholars?

Another questioner : They are among his scholars...The Shaykh : Muhammad

The Shaykh : Yes.

Another questioner : But it is not hidden from you, Shaykh, regarding the scholars of Ahl al-Najd from the hadith perspective, their stock is... I think the name is known, because Shaykh Abdullah al-Sa'd is the one currently active in spreading this methodology, and he has a commentary on lessons from the book Sharh al-'Ilal by Ibn Rajab.