Discussion regarding the previous question.

The Shaykh : So what is the organization mentioned in the question? An organization for political work to establish the Muslim state. I understand from the term "organization" that it is this, or is it something else?

The questioner : The question refers to organizations like the Islamic groups. Of course, I know your opinion on this matter, but as I mentioned at the beginning...

The Shaykh : Your companion has deviated.

The questioner : The organization in the Islamic groups is one that believes it calls to the Book and the Sunnah, and organizes its members and educates them based on the Book and the Sunnah. Perhaps in their conceptions and in their hearts, they believe this with certainty. And perhaps you, Your Eminence, deny this of them because, for example, they use weak hadiths and the like. So the meaning of "organization" is an organization like the Islamic groups that want to restore the Islamic state, as they claim and as they say, and we do not doubt their claim.

The Shaykh : What is the difference between your words and the summary I provided to you? You are making me understand what I do not want to understand. How is that? Because I presented a summary to you and concluded it by saying to you, is that not so? So you gave me a lecture, and through this lecture, you made me understand that your answer is different from what I summarized. But I find that you only explained part of this summary, which I wanted from this summary to give you the answer: is it permissible or not permissible? So you explained. There is no harm in explaining, but with one condition.

The questioner : Please go ahead.

The Shaykh : Does this explanation contradict the thing being explained, or does it align with it?

The questioner : May Allah reward you with good for the explanation you gave, in any case.
Al-Halabi : You or him?

The questioner : The one who explained it is him.

The Shaykh: I say

The questioner : Please go ahead.

The Shaykh : Does it align or differ?

The questioner : It aligns, if Allah wills.

The Shaykh : Okay, if the summary, my brother, often benefits you more than the explanation and lengthening, because the explanation and lengthening may be lost on some people, and I may be the first among them, losing the intended meaning of this explanation. So I have a method that our companion knows. I tell him, "I am asking you a little: yes or no?" Because I am afraid it will be lost on me; he will give me a lecture and lose me from the topic. So I say, "Just say yes or no, then explain whatever you wish." If he says yes, I know the answer: yes. And if he says no and wants to explain, I will be alert that he wants to reach an explanation of "no." I take note in advance that he cannot speak and speak and return to "yes" instead of "no." If this explanation has no taste, because it is the opposite of what he answered briefly and concisely—
Al-Halabi: ...

The Shaykh : laughsThe Shaykh : We are afraid he will ask us for another book. The point, may Allah bless you, is that this organization is an organization of a state, not an organization of individuals, nor an organization of a group or parties. These groups or these parties, what is obligatory for them now is entirely different from this.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : What is obligatory for them is beneficial knowledge and righteous action. And the best thing to mention on this occasion are two matters: a verse in the Qur'an and the biography of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). As for the verse, it is the saying of the Exalted: . As for the biography of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), did the Messenger start first with organization? Answer me now. You must understand from the groups of organizations: did the Messenger start with organization? Say what you have that matters to you. If it is correct, we will support it with it. If it is wrong, I will guide you to the correct path, and so on. So we always benefit from discussion and deliberation. Did the Messenger start, and pay attention to the question: did the Messenger start with organization? Do not answer me in the style of Hamad here, just say yes, just say no, and then if I need an explanation, I will say to you, "Please, explain to me." Did the Messenger start with organization?

The questioner : But allow me this introduction.

The Shaykh : No, no, absolutely not, because this introduction will go right and left. What is the harm now? You say yes or no? And explain whatever you wish.

The questioner : I say, according to my understanding, yes.

The Shaykh : And your saying "according to my understanding" is a tautology. Will you not say "according to my understanding"? There is no benefit. According to your understanding, what do you mean by your expression? Did he start with organization? I tell you this is wrong. And there is no room for me to open the field for you to explain to me. But nevertheless, as I am Syrian, I have taken a step from Syria, but it is a good one, not harmful, which is that I do not come with you, come with it. So I see that there is no benefit in giving me a lecture. But so that I am broad with you, please, tell me why you say that the Messenger started with organization? And I see this is wrong, and I will clarify it to you. Bring it out so we can see.

The questioner : If you allow me.

The Shaykh : Please, I told you please.

The questioner : In the beginning, my honorable Shaykh, I praise Allah, Lord of the Worlds. This is the first time I am sitting with you.

The Shaykh : Welcome.

The questioner : And we do not hear much about your knowledge and so on. And if Allah wills, we will sit before you, meaning as students of knowledge, and we are far from this title.

The Shaykh: May Allah bless you.

The questioner : May Allah honor you. I say, according to my simple understanding, that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) started with organization, as a beginning of the call in secret. That is, when Allah the Exalted sent to him our master Jibril (peace be upon him), he started calling people in secret, one after the other, so the polytheists of Quraysh did not know about this call. Also, I compare this method to the method of the Islamic groups today. Now they call each other. Let us suppose, for example, the Islamic Jihad group.

The Shaykh : The group of what?

The questioner : Islamic Jihad. Of course, their method is secret.

The Shaykh : Well, why don't you tell them about the group of our country? We do not have these groups here. Is there Islamic Jihad?

The questioner : Or are they called the organization of the Army of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)?

The Shaykh : Is there an Islamic Jihad group here?

The questioner : I believe they exist in every Islamic country, or in the organization of the Army of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), which is not named now at this time. Their organizations are secret, and also the call of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) in the beginning was secret, in a secret way. So I understand from the fragrant Prophetic biography, and comparing it with this era and what is in it of restriction on Islam, that the call of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was in its beginning in the form of an organization, and Allah knows best. So what do you say about this statement?

The Shaykh : I say, as I said before, this is wrong.

The questioner : It is an error.

The Shaykh : It is known, because the correct answer, and I think you will agree with me a million times.

The questioner : If Allah wills.

The Shaykh : That the Messenger, when he first started, was with the call to tawhid (the oneness of Allah). Can you say no?

The questioner : I understood.

The Shaykh : Yes?

The questioner : The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) started calling to pure tawhid (the oneness of Allah).

The Shaykh : Good. So now, these callers, I reminded you of the Qur'anic verse . Do they start with tawhid (the oneness of Allah)? And I see you thinking and thinking for a long time, and this contains both good news and warning at the same time.

The questioner : I say, according to my knowledge, in some Islamic groups, they start by teaching their affiliates the book "The Book of Faith" by Dr. Muhammad Naim Yasin. And the Book of Faith, as is known to you, contains the correct Islamic creed. So do I consider that when they teach this book to their students and affiliates, they are calling to the correct creed or not?

The Shaykh : No, this question is premature.

The questioner : Well, okay.

The Shaykh : Is this call, which is based on studying the Book of Faith by the Shaykh al-Islam, secret or public?
Al-Halabi : It is not by the Shaykh al-Islam, Dr. Muhammad.

The Shaykh : The doctor. Well, this mistake is forgiven, it does not take us out of the topic. Secret or public?

The questioner : In their call, I mentioned, my Shaykh, may Allah bless you.

The Shaykh : I am asking: secret or public?

The questioner : Of course, in their call, it is secret.

The Shaykh : Why?

The questioner : Of course, no. Organization. Shall I give an example, allow me?

The Shaykh : No, I do not allow you.

The questioner : Well, okay.

The Shaykh : I do not allow chaos.

The questioner : In some Islamic groups...

The Shaykh : My brother, do not waste us in the midst of the groups.

The questioner : Well, okay.

The Shaykh : We are talking now about a specific group.

The questioner : Specific.

The Shaykh : Do you see that its plan is in accordance with what the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) started with?

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : All right, so when you started explaining, you said that the Messenger started in secret, and we know that, but you did not say he started with tawhid (the oneness of Allah). When you drew our attention to whether these groups start with tawhid, you did not answer us; instead, you took just one group from among them. This is a kind of confusion in speech; sometimes you talk about the groups in general, and sometimes you talk about one group. This makes me feel that it is not established in your mind that all the groups are based on , as evidenced by the fact that you do not give me a general answer as I asked a general question, but rather you bring up a specific group and say so-and-so studies the book of faith by so-and-so, and so on.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : All right, so I see here that you are contradicting yourself most severely, because the beginning of your answer was this: we said, "No problem, go ahead and explain that the Messenger started in secret." All right, is this book studied in secret or in public?

The questioner : In secret.

The Shaykh : No, not in secret, in public. Where is the secrecy in this call? And if it were in secret, why was it secret? Who is opposing you today in that you call to the Book and the Sunnah in general and in detail? Then, according to the people around you, if they need tawhid (the oneness of Allah), explain tawhid to them; if they need to know about prayer, and so on, each situation has its own requirements, and so on. Now, let us return to the original topic: Do these groups follow the plan of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) in that he started with the most important things first? Do they do so?

The questioner : I.

The Shaykh : Do not forget your question about organization.

The questioner : If Allah wills.

The Shaykh : What do they do regarding organization?

The questioner : I agree with what you mentioned a moment ago. I asked about the organization as Islamic groups, and when I asked about the correct creed, I mentioned to you the points of similarity between them and the call of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), which is that it was in secret. Certainly, they call to the correct creed. This is an observation I kept in my mind; I do not know if I mentioned it in a specific context other than what is in your mind. So, when I mentioned the correct creed, I meant one group that studies this book, meaning to prove to you that they call to the correct creed. This is the reason I mentioned one group. My question was about the groups in their entirety, but I only mentioned one group.

The Shaykh : All right, and what is your opinion of the other groups? This group studies the creed; now we will look into that in another discussion. Are the other groups organized or not?

The questioner : Organized, of course.
The questioner : All right: Do they start as the Messenger started?

The questioner : I do not know exactly. I mention a group. Do you allow me to mention the name of the group I spoke about?

The Shaykh : That does not harm me.

The questioner : Do you allow me to mention it?

The Shaykh : Please go ahead.

The questioner : I know I spoke about them studying the Muslim Brotherhood. They study from the book of faith by Dr. Muhammad Naim Yasin. So, my question is about the groups in general, but I mentioned this name based on my knowledge of them. Meaning, if you want us to specialize the question in this group, there is no harm, or in the organization of this group, so that it becomes clear afterwards whether the organization means...

The Shaykh : My brother, if your call were limited to this group, there would be no objection to discussing it. But you made a very broad statement, about the groups and their organizations. You did not specify a certain group with its organization so that we could specialize the discussion in it, and we are with you now in specializing the discussion in it. But your topic was not specific; your topic was, meaning, broad.

The questioner : General.

The Shaykh : General.

The questioner : I agree with you on this point.

The Shaykh : Which one?

The questioner : That my posing of the question was in a general form about all the groups that believe in organization and its attire.

The Shaykh : Good.

The questioner : Fine?

The Shaykh : Good.

The questioner : But when you asked me to clarify to you regarding the correct creed, you gave as an example the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Shaykh : I say, may Allah reward you with good. Let us return to the original topic. What is your opinion of the organization of the other groups? These do not study the book of faith by the Doctor, nor the book of faith by Ibn Taymiyyah, nor any other. What is your opinion of these organizations? Are they based on ?

The questioner : According to what they say, and if it is according to their claim, they say yes.

The Shaykh : Is this the answer to my question?

The questioner : You are asking for my opinion.

The Shaykh : Or not?

The questioner : Not their opinion.

The Shaykh : Do you understand? And you know and you avoid?

The questioner : I do not avoid, if Allah wills.

The Shaykh : Then why do you say "according to their opinion"? And you know that I want your opinion.

The questioner : The problem, O Shaykh, is that I clarified to you at the beginning that, if Allah wills, I am studying before you and I am a learner, if Allah wills.

The Shaykh : May Allah bless you. We do not like this language, that you sit before me as if you are a student and obedient, may Allah will it, and so on. We do not like this language at all. We like frankness. There is no difference between me, an old Shaykh as you see me, and you, a young man, may Allah will it, as he (peace and blessings be upon him) said: But we like frankness. Your question was, "What is your opinion of the organization?" I gave a lecture that the organization is of two parts, and so on.