(Explanation of the definition of shirk (associating partners with Allah) according to Ibn Sina and his followers) And shirk, in their view, is affirming the essence and the *** attributes, for then there remain two besides existence, so it becomes three
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The Shaykh :"And shirk, in their view, is affirming the essence and the *** attributes, for then there remain two"
We seek refuge in Allah. They say that whoever affirms the existence of Allah, the existence of His essence, has committed shirk. Why? Because, in their view, Allah is absolute existence, existence itself. So if you say "essence" and "existence," that is shirk, because it becomes, because it results in, two.
"And shirk, in their view, is affirming the essence and the *** attributes, for then there remain two"
"besides existence, so it becomes three *** Therefore, if we deny two by proof"
"existence remains"
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, "existence remains"
The student: Therefore, therefore
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Therefore
The Shaykh : Therefore, and what? Therefore
The student: "*** Therefore, we denied two"
The Shaykh :"*** Therefore, if we deny two by proof"
"existence remains, so nothing is attributed to it *** other than itself, making it contingent"
What do you have? Hmm?
The student: Therefore
The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah, and what? Therefore, we denied what?
The student: Therefore, we denied two
The Shaykh :"*** Therefore, we denied two by proof"
The student: There is no...
The Shaykh : Ah, no, yes, I have it, you have "therefore," all of you
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Okay, let's go back
"And shirk, in their view, is affirming the essence and the *** attributes, for then there remain two"
That is, if we affirm an essence and attributes, and attributes, it becomes two
"besides existence", which they consider to be Allah, and in that case, the total becomes three
"so it becomes three *** Therefore, we denied two by proof"
Two, which are the essence and the attributes, so if we deny two
"existence remains, so nothing is attributed to it *** other than itself"
And in that case, it becomes contingent, it becomes possible. So, in their view now, the essence is denied, the attributes are denied, and existence is affirmed, and that is Allah in their view, absolute existence, conditioned by absoluteness. In reality, if we reflect on their words, we find that there is no Lord; they do not affirm for Allah an essence or attributes, but rather, what is it? Existence conditioned by absoluteness. The essence is negated, the attributes are negated, and one remains of the three, which is existence. And for me, it is "the denial of existence", and it appears that it is "existence remains". Yes, "*** Therefore, we denied two by proof" "existence remains"
Write it down, perhaps, for I am also in doubt that it is "Therefore, we denied two". I say it is perhaps "Therefore, if we deny". Write it down as well, perhaps. Yes.
We seek refuge in Allah. They say that whoever affirms the existence of Allah, the existence of His essence, has committed shirk. Why? Because, in their view, Allah is absolute existence, existence itself. So if you say "essence" and "existence," that is shirk, because it becomes, because it results in, two.
"And shirk, in their view, is affirming the essence and the *** attributes, for then there remain two"
"besides existence, so it becomes three *** Therefore, if we deny two by proof"
"existence remains"
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, "existence remains"
The student: Therefore, therefore
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Therefore
The Shaykh : Therefore, and what? Therefore
The student: "*** Therefore, we denied two"
The Shaykh :"*** Therefore, if we deny two by proof"
"existence remains, so nothing is attributed to it *** other than itself, making it contingent"
What do you have? Hmm?
The student: Therefore
The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah, and what? Therefore, we denied what?
The student: Therefore, we denied two
The Shaykh :"*** Therefore, we denied two by proof"
The student: There is no...
The Shaykh : Ah, no, yes, I have it, you have "therefore," all of you
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Okay, let's go back
"And shirk, in their view, is affirming the essence and the *** attributes, for then there remain two"
That is, if we affirm an essence and attributes, and attributes, it becomes two
"besides existence", which they consider to be Allah, and in that case, the total becomes three
"so it becomes three *** Therefore, we denied two by proof"
Two, which are the essence and the attributes, so if we deny two
"existence remains, so nothing is attributed to it *** other than itself"
And in that case, it becomes contingent, it becomes possible. So, in their view now, the essence is denied, the attributes are denied, and existence is affirmed, and that is Allah in their view, absolute existence, conditioned by absoluteness. In reality, if we reflect on their words, we find that there is no Lord; they do not affirm for Allah an essence or attributes, but rather, what is it? Existence conditioned by absoluteness. The essence is negated, the attributes are negated, and one remains of the three, which is existence. And for me, it is "the denial of existence", and it appears that it is "existence remains". Yes, "*** Therefore, we denied two by proof" "existence remains"
Write it down, perhaps, for I am also in doubt that it is "Therefore, we denied two". I say it is perhaps "Therefore, if we deny". Write it down as well, perhaps. Yes.