The Meaning of the Poet's Statement: "So This Led Him to Say: The Throne Was Created After All of the Created Things"
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The Shaykh :"So This Led Him" "So this led him" means "this made him"
"to say: The Throne Was Created After All of the Created Things"
"May He be cursed for denying the Messenger... ***"
This led him, the one referred to, to interpret "istawa" (to rise above) as "istawla" (to take possession). It led him to say that the creation of the Throne came after what? After the creation of the heavens and the earth. Why? For the reason we mentioned first, which is that it was said to him: if you say "istawa" means "istawla," where would the taking of possession be before the creation of the heavens and the earth? On the Throne? So for whom would the taking of possession be? He then said, "I will turn away from this and say that the Throne was created after the heavens and the earth." I have not heard this opinion until tonight from any of the scholars who are called scholars. They say that the creation of the Throne was later than the creation of the heavens and the earth. We do not know of this, but we seek refuge in Allah. A false statement leads to, leads to falsehood.
"to say: The Throne Was Created After All of the Created Things"
"May He be cursed for denying the Messenger... ***"
This led him, the one referred to, to interpret "istawa" (to rise above) as "istawla" (to take possession). It led him to say that the creation of the Throne came after what? After the creation of the heavens and the earth. Why? For the reason we mentioned first, which is that it was said to him: if you say "istawa" means "istawla," where would the taking of possession be before the creation of the heavens and the earth? On the Throne? So for whom would the taking of possession be? He then said, "I will turn away from this and say that the Throne was created after the heavens and the earth." I have not heard this opinion until tonight from any of the scholars who are called scholars. They say that the creation of the Throne was later than the creation of the heavens and the earth. We do not know of this, but we seek refuge in Allah. A false statement leads to, leads to falsehood.