Is it established that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) trimmed his beard?

The questioner : Is it established from the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) that he trimmed his beard?

The Shaykh : Is it established from the Messenger that he did not trim it?

The questioner : I mean, what is established from the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).

The Shaykh : Is it established from the Messenger that he did not trim it?

The questioner : If it were reported, as it was reported from Ibn 'Umar, may Allah reward you.

The Shaykh : I am asking you, I am.

The questioner : If he had trimmed it, would it have been reported, as it was reported from Ibn 'Umar?

The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah! Ibn 'Umar, whom do you think he imitated when he trimmed his beard and did not let it grow?

The questioner : This is not evidence, O Shaykh!

The Shaykh : No, this is evidence.

The questioner : The establishment from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), who is the role model, and he did not trim from Ibn 'Umar during the 'Umrah?

The Shaykh : No, please, please. There is no disagreement among us that the Messenger is the role model. The discussion now is about understanding what the Messenger was like!

The questioner : (Peace and blessings be upon him).

The Shaykh : I hope you distinguish between the two matters. There is no disagreement among us that we all follow the Messenger. We are not debating with the madhhab followers, but I hope you understand the point of disagreement well. The point of disagreement is: what was the state of the beard of the Messenger (peace be upon him)? What was the state of his mustache? We cannot understand this merely from this hadith now. You, do not blame me, put yourself in the position of being tested. What do you do from his saying (peace and blessings be upon him) What do you understand?

The questioner : Trimming the mustache.

The Shaykh : Cut it off.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : "Haf" does not mean "qasr" (cutting).

The questioner : Taking from it.

The Shaykh : Pay attention. "Haf" in the language means more than "qasr" (cutting). "Haf" is uprooting; it does not mean "qasr" (cutting). The point is like "qasr" (cutting) or like "i'fa" (letting it grow). We cannot, after fourteen centuries, apply our intellect and understand the text, this and that, according to what seems to us. No, we want to seek the help of the righteous Salaf. And you believe with us that the righteous Salaf are those whom Allah praised in His Book and His Messenger in his hadith. So now, Ibn 'Umar is from this elite of the righteous, and Abu Hurayrah, I mentioned to you just now, and so on. These are the Salaf who transmitted to us that they used to take from their beards. Do you think that they saw the Messenger, and he let his beard grow and did not take from it at all, and they contradicted the Messenger and took from it!

The questioner : May Allah reward you, O Shaykh. The matter is that if the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) had taken from it, these Companions would have transmitted it from him!

The Shaykh: There is no power nor strength except with Allah.

The questioner : ... these ... .

The Shaykh : The transmission, may Allah reward you, may be direct.

The questioner : ... He taught them everything ... .

The Shaykh : Keep the word: direct or indirect.

The questioner : Either by his action or by his saying. Either by his saying .

The Shaykh : And either by his approval. Do not forget.

The questioner : And either by his approval. Well, if he did not take from it.

The Shaykh : O Shaykh, may Allah guide you. If he did not take from it, but where is your evidence that he did not take from it!

The questioner : There is no evidence that he took from it, so which is more appropriate, well?

The Shaykh : ... around this point ... .

The questioner: All right.

The Shaykh : Allow me. I thought you were present in the morning.

The questioner : Yes, present.

The Shaykh : Please, we brought an example We explained the hadith. We said this hadith is understood for the one who has a mustache. I see that our brothers seem to have gotten tired, and it is better that I get tired. I am one of those who got tired! What do you think? But I will not get tired with those who got tired. It needs patience, my brothers. Well, the important thing is: if there were a text that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) did not take from his beard, the matter would be over. But we do not have a text of taking or not taking. But we have texts from his Companions who saw him. What do you think ... the Companions, if you believe ... then follow them, because Allah the Exalted says , I ask you, O Shaykh, to stand with me for a moment at the middle of the verse Who do you think these believers are, whom Allah threatened those who oppose them with the Fire, and what an evil destination? Who are these believers?

The questioner : They are the followers of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

The Shaykh : If so, he did it.

The questioner : So there is evidence that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) took from it ... No, this is if there is no evidence reported from him.

The Shaykh : Excuse me, excuse me.

The questioner: Go ahead.

The Shaykh : The matter is about the believers, not about the Prophet of the believers. Keep that in mind, because you say the path of the believers is on the head and eyes. When I tell you, what do you think, these people did it this way, you return to the Prophet of the believers, my brother. We are with the Prophet of the believers, but the issue here is not clear to us regarding the Prophet of the believers, but.

The questioner : Well, if it is not clear, which is more appropriate?

The Shaykh : Is it more appropriate to follow the path of the believers, or what are we talking about?

The questioner : I mean, the Prophet of the believers.

The Shaykh : Who is he?

The questioner : The believers follow the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), and it is not established from the Prophet that he took from it, correct.

The Shaykh : And it is not established from him the opposite.

The questioner : And it is not established from him that he left it.

The Shaykh : But it is established from his Companions that they took from it!

The questioner : To Allah we belong and to Him we return.

The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you, all of them.

The Shaykh : O Shaykh, may Allah guide you. We are talking about the verse Are you not following the path of the believers now?

The questioner : I follow the path of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

The Shaykh : The path of the Prophet is not clear to you!

The questioner : The path of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). If he took from his beard, I say the Companions would have transmitted it. They taught them even how to use the toilet, as the Companions said. They transmitted from him everything, is that not so?

The Shaykh : My brother, O Shaykh, the transmission.

The questioner : O Shaykh, do not rush. Follow the path of the believers. Follow the path of the origin of the believers, O Shaykh. May Allah reward you.

The Shaykh : O Shaykh, may Allah guide you. This is if it is clear, but you are rushing me.

The questioner : No, no, I did not rush you.

The Shaykh : I told you, if we had a transmission from the Messenger that he did not take from it, the matter would be over. Did you understand this point from me?

The questioner : I understood well.

The Shaykh : But we do not have that he took from it!

The questioner : We do not have that he took or did not take.

The Shaykh : So you do not know, and I do not know. As long as you say we do not know, cut or not cut, if we do not know, what do we know? - Be patient - What do we know? The path of the believers. We know the path of the believers, and we think well of them, as I said before.

The questioner : Yes, yes, without a doubt.

The Shaykh : But you quickly abandoned it!

The questioner : No, I did not abandon it.

The Shaykh : O Shaykh, you abandoned it. The matter is not a debate. Tell me how you abandoned it? I accuse you of abandoning. Tell me how you abandoned it? You do not want to ask me!

The questioner : How did you abandon it?

The Shaykh : May Allah reward you. Well, my nature is that I accuse you of abandoning the path of the believers, so you must investigate. Allow me, may Allah reward you. You do not want me to speak, so I say, may you be rewarded. I was speaking with you about the path of the believers in the middle of the verse and drew your attention. I hope you reflect with me on the middle of the verse. As for its beginning There is no disagreement when it is established from the Messenger that he did not take from it, and we take from it, we would be splitting from the Messenger. But now the call is that we do not know if he took or did not take. We do not know. You do not know, and I do not know, and no one else who is more knowledgeable knows. We have something we know, which is the path of the believers. The path of the believers is Ibn 'Umar. The path of the believers is Abu Hurayrah. The path of the believers is Mujahid ibn Jabir, the great exegete from the followers of Ibn 'Abbas. The path of the believers is Ibrahim ibn Yazid al-Nakha'i, this noble Tabi'i who met the great Companions of Ibn Mas'ud, and so on. He says, "The Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to take from their beards." This is the path of the believers. So I ask you to reflect on two points. The first point: We do not know about the beard of the Messenger, whether he used to take from it or not. If we do not know, we do not speak without knowledge. We have the path of the believers. We know the path of the believers that they used to take from it. So why do we contradict the path of the believers? You return and say, I follow the Messenger!

The questioner : Will your heart accommodate me?

The Shaykh : How not, when my heart has not accommodated you since the morning until now!

The questioner : So.

The Shaykh : NoAbu Layla : May Allah guide you. If they call you ... Please, Professor.

The questioner : May Allah reward you, O Shaykh. We return to the first point. First, the hadith. You undoubtedly know the authenticity of the hadith from the hadith of Ibn 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him), which is "he did not exceed a handful." This is in the case ... But I say, O Shaykh, just a thought in the heart: if the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) had taken from his beard, it would have reached us through the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them). This is one thing, as they transmitted, as the Companions transmitted from each other that they took from their beards, is that not so? From this angle?

The Shaykh : No, that is not so.

The questioner : That is enough, well, we stopped.

The Shaykh : But what do you do with the path of the believers?

The questioner : With them. O Allah, gather us with them and make us with them, and guide us to their path, so that we do not deviate from them in any way, lest you say to me, "Follow their path."

The Shaykh : Whether in speech or action. Allow me to look into this now. May Allah bless you. By looking into it, by looking into it. May Allah guide you and me in the search. In the search, do not leave the path of the believers in the search. I told you, and this is the third or fourth time, the verse is in the middle, not at the beginning. Allah the Exalted said: Now, perhaps I can clarify something new for you. Do we lose anything if the verse were not with this phrase? That is, if the verse were Do we lose anything from the jurisprudential perspective or not? I hope you will answer me?

The questioner : We lose.

The Shaykh : What is the loss?

The questioner : We lose following the believers.

The Shaykh : No, that is fine, O Shaykh. May Allah guide you. We lose following this in terms of understanding. I am asking from the jurisprudential perspective. My question, may Allah bless you, is from the jurisprudential and scholarly perspective. If the verse were without from the jurisprudential perspective, do we lose anything?

The questioner : ... What is meant? Do we lose anything? Following the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) suffices us instead of following the believers. Is that what you mean?

The Shaykh : Well, let us develop the question. When the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned the difference between the Christians and the Jews, and then said He answered, "I am upon what I am upon and my companions." If we remove the word do we lose or not? I think you will say we do not lose anything. And here is the error. Here lies the jurisprudential and scholarly error. Do not accuse me of leading you to deviating from the path of the believers. This is a scholarly research.

The questioner : I want to clarify it well. It is that if we follow the path of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), is that not sufficient for us, O Shaykh?

The Shaykh : There is no power nor strength except by Allah. No, O Shaykh. May Allah guide you.

The questioner : There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Do not rush, O brothers!

The Shaykh : O Shaykh, may Allah guide you. I tell you, in this specific detail, it is not known to us. You said earlier that we do not know if it was taken or not. You return and say, "If we follow the path of the Messenger, whoever follows the path of the Messenger will be perishing and misguided." But the research is on a matter we do not know. We know that the companions of the Messenger said so and so. I will give you an example now. When Anas ibn Malik narrated, he said It was said to him, "What about eating?" He said, "It is evil." What do you say?

The questioner : The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) spoke the truth.

The Shaykh : No, O Shaykh, no, no, pay attention to the hadith. How? Anas says It was said to Anas, "What about eating while standing?" He said, "It is evil." What do you say now?

The questioner : We say nothing but good about the words of Anas.

The Shaykh : The words of Anas. Do you follow them?

The questioner : Yes, we follow them.

The Shaykh : Well, why? Do not follow Ibn 'Umar!

The questioner : Ibn 'Umar, O Shaykh. If the statement is from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), the original is the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).

The Shaykh : My brother.

The questioner : And thus he confirmed it, O Shaykh.

The Shaykh : O Shaykh, may Allah guide you. I remember this phrase. You do not know what the Messenger did, so do not say, "I do as the Messenger did," unless you know how the Messenger did it. And you do not know!

The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.