He also speaks about the Sufi orders. He also says that in our Sudan, there is a practice of dhikr (remembrance of Allah) (Glorified and Exalted is He). In our place, most of the shaykhs of the orders are known for the "nubah" (ecstatic state). Is...
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The questioner : He also speaks about the Sufi orders. He also says that in our Sudan, there is a practice of dhikr (remembrance of Allah) (Glorified and Exalted is He). In our place, most of the shaykhs of the orders are known for the "nubah" (ecstatic state). So, is this "nubah" practice in dhikr valid? And is it permissible for a person to remember Allah other than with the Qur'an and the names of Allah (Mighty and Majestic), or is it not better for a person to remember Allah by reciting the Qur'an and making du'a' (supplication)? In reality, as some people know, they there remember Allah in a collective manner, standing and turning to the right and left, and placing their shoes between them. This is done collectively, and some shaykhs may fall into a trance in this state.
The Shaykh : Dhikr (remembrance of Allah) (Blessed and Exalted is He) is part of du'a' (supplication) and part of its acts of worship. Acts of worship are based on following the Prophet in their formulas and the manner of the worshipper or supplicant. So, their calling upon Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He) in the description you mentioned—that they are a group standing and swaying to the right and left, and perhaps fainting—is from the reprehensible religious innovations (bid'ah) that it is not permissible for a person to draw near to his Lord with. Because drawing near to Allah must be through the path that He (Blessed and Exalted is He) has established to reach Him. If a person innovates in this path something that is not from the Shari'ah, it is rejected from him, due to the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in the authentic hadith:Sahih Muslim 1718b So, these paths that you described are all rejected, invalid, and innovated, and it is not permissible for a person to worship Allah (the Exalted) with them.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The Shaykh : Dhikr (remembrance of Allah) (Blessed and Exalted is He) is part of du'a' (supplication) and part of its acts of worship. Acts of worship are based on following the Prophet in their formulas and the manner of the worshipper or supplicant. So, their calling upon Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He) in the description you mentioned—that they are a group standing and swaying to the right and left, and perhaps fainting—is from the reprehensible religious innovations (bid'ah) that it is not permissible for a person to draw near to his Lord with. Because drawing near to Allah must be through the path that He (Blessed and Exalted is He) has established to reach Him. If a person innovates in this path something that is not from the Shari'ah, it is rejected from him, due to the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in the authentic hadith:
He who did any act for which there is no sanction from our behalf, that is to be rejected.
من عمل عملا ليس عليه أمرنا فهو ردThe questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.