He has a final question, saying: The imam prostrated after the taslim for forgetfulness due to an addition in the prayer, and two of the worshippers did not catch the last two rak'ahs, so they stood up to complete
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The questioner : He has a final question, saying: The imam prostrated after the taslim for forgetfulness due to an addition in the prayer, and two of the worshippers did not catch the last two rak'ahs, so they stood up to complete their prayer and did not prostrate with the imam, nor after completing their prayer. What is the ruling on their prayer?
The Shaykh : The questioner did not clarify whether the imam’s prostration for forgetfulness was after the taslim or before it.
The questioner : After the taslim.
The Shaykh : It appears that it was after the taslim.
The questioner : Yes, it seems so, yes.
The Shaykh : If it was after the taslim.
The questioner : He mentioned that it was after the taslim, yes.
The Shaykh : If it was after the taslim, then the two men standing up without prostrating with him is what is prescribed according to some scholars, and according to others, it is obligatory for these two latecomers to prostrate with the imam after the taslim as long as they have not stood up. If they have stood up, they do not return; rather, they complete the prayer and prostrate for forgetfulness as the imam did. Based on this, we say: The ruling on the prayer of these two men is valid; it is not invalid, neither according to those who say that it is obligatory to follow the imam in the two prostrations after the taslim, nor according to those who say that it is not obligatory, because they were ignorant, and the ignorant person is excused for leaving what is obligatory upon him. However, if what was left is something that is obligatory upon him and can be made up within its time, then it is made up within its time. But if the time has passed, it is not made up. This applies to time-bound matters, such as prayer. As for non-time-bound matters, if one is ignorant of an obligation and then it becomes clear to him, he must perform it.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Suppose the forgetfulness occurred in the first two rak'ahs, in which they were not with the imam. Would they also prostrate with the imam?
The Shaykh : Yes, according to the opinion of those who say so, they prostrate with him, even if they did not catch the forgetfulness, because they are obligated to follow the imam.
The questioner : May Allah reward you.
The questioner : These are three questions sent by the student Ibn Subay from Makkah al-Mukarramah.
The Shaykh : The questioner did not clarify whether the imam’s prostration for forgetfulness was after the taslim or before it.
The questioner : After the taslim.
The Shaykh : It appears that it was after the taslim.
The questioner : Yes, it seems so, yes.
The Shaykh : If it was after the taslim.
The questioner : He mentioned that it was after the taslim, yes.
The Shaykh : If it was after the taslim, then the two men standing up without prostrating with him is what is prescribed according to some scholars, and according to others, it is obligatory for these two latecomers to prostrate with the imam after the taslim as long as they have not stood up. If they have stood up, they do not return; rather, they complete the prayer and prostrate for forgetfulness as the imam did. Based on this, we say: The ruling on the prayer of these two men is valid; it is not invalid, neither according to those who say that it is obligatory to follow the imam in the two prostrations after the taslim, nor according to those who say that it is not obligatory, because they were ignorant, and the ignorant person is excused for leaving what is obligatory upon him. However, if what was left is something that is obligatory upon him and can be made up within its time, then it is made up within its time. But if the time has passed, it is not made up. This applies to time-bound matters, such as prayer. As for non-time-bound matters, if one is ignorant of an obligation and then it becomes clear to him, he must perform it.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Suppose the forgetfulness occurred in the first two rak'ahs, in which they were not with the imam. Would they also prostrate with the imam?
The Shaykh : Yes, according to the opinion of those who say so, they prostrate with him, even if they did not catch the forgetfulness, because they are obligated to follow the imam.
The questioner : May Allah reward you.
The questioner : These are three questions sent by the student Ibn Subay from Makkah al-Mukarramah.