We said here that if we attribute the meaning of one letter to another, we gain nothing, whereas in other places in some verses, such as His saying, the Exalted:

The student: … If we say that the letter means the other letter, we gain nothing, whereas we said in other places in some verses, such as His saying, the Exalted: We said that it means and we did not attribute another meaning to the verb.

The Shaykh : No, this is necessary. If… means , but in addition, there is a benefit in that it came as meaning . I do not know if I drew your attention to it or not? We said: If he said, “I will surely crucify you on the trunks of the palm trees” with “on,” the crucifixion might be a crucifixion with a loose rope, but “in the trunks” is as if he tied them tightly, so that these crucified people are as if they are inside them. So we gain a benefit. Did you understand? Good.
The student: … the lesson

The Shaykh : Is it not the lesson? … And what is the name of the noble brother?
The student: Mas'ud