Are precious vessels other than gold forbidden?
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The questioner : What is possible for us, I mean, on the condition that the causes of the hadith are... is this hidden?
The Shaykh : If it is forbidden for another reason, there is no harm in discussing it. If it is forbidden for another reason, once it reaches the level of extravagance, it becomes forbidden on the side of extravagance. For this reason, for example, the one who currently takes a vessel of this precious platinum, and it is more intense for people than gold, and yet it is lawful. But if it were to reach the level of extravagance and it were said that this is a matter of extravagance, but people have become accustomed to it, it becomes forbidden for another reason. So the discussion is on the principle of permissibility. As for what is forbidden for another reason, this is a broad category. All permissible things, if they include a forbidden element, become forbidden by way of means.
The questioner : What is excused by consensus? Is consensus a ruling?
The Shaykh : Which of them?
The questioner : ... the middle path.
The Shaykh : No, no, it is not correct. Al-Shawkani refuted it, saying this is not correct.
The questioner : Is there weakness in the addition?
The Shaykh : There is weakness in it, but it has strength, just as I did. For this reason, I appended it with the rule that a forbidden thing is forbidden, whether it is pure or mixed.
The Shaykh : If it is forbidden for another reason, there is no harm in discussing it. If it is forbidden for another reason, once it reaches the level of extravagance, it becomes forbidden on the side of extravagance. For this reason, for example, the one who currently takes a vessel of this precious platinum, and it is more intense for people than gold, and yet it is lawful. But if it were to reach the level of extravagance and it were said that this is a matter of extravagance, but people have become accustomed to it, it becomes forbidden for another reason. So the discussion is on the principle of permissibility. As for what is forbidden for another reason, this is a broad category. All permissible things, if they include a forbidden element, become forbidden by way of means.
The questioner : What is excused by consensus? Is consensus a ruling?
The Shaykh : Which of them?
The questioner : ... the middle path.
The Shaykh : No, no, it is not correct. Al-Shawkani refuted it, saying this is not correct.
The questioner : Is there weakness in the addition?
The Shaykh : There is weakness in it, but it has strength, just as I did. For this reason, I appended it with the rule that a forbidden thing is forbidden, whether it is pure or mixed.