Supplement to the issue in which the Shaykh spoke about the hadith of placing a stone on the grave of Ja'far, which is numbered 6 and 7 in the index of this tape.
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The student : Shaykh, before that, you spoke about Uthman ibn Maz'un.
The Shaykh : Did he mark the grave of Uthman?
The student : Yes, Uthman ibn Maz'un.
The Shaykh : How? Bring it so we can see.
The student : It says, in what Ibn Majah narrated with his chain of narration, that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)Sunan Ibn Majah 1561Hasan (Darussalam) meaning he placed a stone on it to make it distinct.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : And in the additions: "This is a good chain of narration, narrated by Abu Dawud from the hadith of al-Mut'ib ibn Abi Wada'ah, and in it: 'He carried the stone and placed it at his head, and said: I mark with it the grave of my brother, and I will bury beside it whoever dies of my family '."
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : This one.
The Shaykh : So, Uthman.
The student : Uthman ibn Maz'un.
The questioner : It seems to me that there is another point of difficulty here!
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : Regarding the hadith, if the hadith is authentic, and...
The Shaykh : What do you say? May Allah reward you! Heh heh, what do you say? Because you are a role model.
The questioner : No, excuse me, I say the reason seems to me that Uthman ibn Maz'un, as is well known, was the first person buried in al-Baqi' al-Gharqad.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : The first person buried, so the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) placed this stone on it because... because he was not the only one of his family who died; Uthman ibn Maz'un, in relation to the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), what is the kinship between him and him?
The Shaykh : I do not know.
The questioner : There is no kinship between him and the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). So when he says "of my family," he meant... he did not mean it because he was his relative, but rather because he was the first person buried in this place, so he wanted to make a marker on this grave so that it would not be forgotten, until it would be made a cemetery and people would be buried in it, both relatives and non-relatives.
The Shaykh : Is this not an interpretation - may Allah reward you -?!
The questioner : By Allah, I do not mean... .
The Shaykh : This is the problem of the differences you know.
The questioner : I am not seeing... because he is the truth, meaning...
The Shaykh : Meaning, between saying "I will bury beside it" and "I will bury beside her," this is the interpretation that ruined the creed, not the legal rulings and jurisprudence.
The questioner : No, because I, of course, as is well known, then the hadith says a stone! A stone! Meaning the word "stone" indicates the size of the rock, because a small stone can be lifted and moved from one place to another, which is... .
The Shaykh : What is the difference?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : Whether you allow me or not, do not hold it against me, because we have learned from you frankness and sincere advice.
The questioner : No, no, absolutely not.
The Shaykh : You mention a hadith of Ali: "When a hadith from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) comes to you, take it in its best sense."
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, so now what is the difference between the stone being large or a small stone? What is the difference between the stone being carried alone by the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) due to his strength, or a stone being carried by those around him from his Companions? There is no difference in that, because the purpose of this stone is stated in the hadith itself: as it came in the hadith, which means We are not now in the position of doing research and precision about the size of the stone, what is its weight? Is it very heavy such that no one else shares in carrying it with the Messenger, or not? The important thing is establishing the reason... .
The questioner : Shaykh, may Allah reward you, I know this.
The Shaykh : I know.
The questioner : I am not... the negative "ma" here.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you, and I know that you know, but I am surprised by your precision regarding whether the stone is heavy and weighty or not.
The questioner : No, I do not.
The Shaykh : What matters to us from that?
The questioner : Something important matters to us.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : And that is that a small stone can be passed by a child or a small boy, who would move this stone and throw it to another place.
The Shaykh : Correct, but what is the consequence if the stone is heavier than that?
The questioner : Excuse me, I am the one saying that the existence of a large stone means it is not easy to lift it from this place to move it to another place, and it is intended only to mark the place that will become a cemetery in the future. This is my independent reasoning, not an interpretation, as...
The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah, Glory be to Allah! I learned something from you now. I know that you know this.
The questioner : May Allah reward you.
The Shaykh : I know that you know this, but where did you get that this stone, regardless of its weight, was not to mark the grave itself, but as a gate opening to the cemetery? Where did we bring this from?
The questioner : Since he was the first person buried, meaning in this place.
The Shaykh : Where did we establish that he was the first person buried?
The questioner : This is well known in the Sunnah, may Allah reward you.
The Shaykh : Meaning, no problem, by Allah, I do not remember.
The questioner : By Allah, this is famous, meaning this report.
The Shaykh : Yes, please go ahead.
The questioner : As if we understood from the words of our brother Abu Malik that the stone is heavy in this way, and it came in the hadith of the dream in al-Bukhari:, so the stone might be the one that is carried - also - it is not the heavy stone as you say.
The Shaykh : What is it, meaning, the truth is, the word "stone" is not necessarily of that size, but it is that the stone is not such that it is a small stone.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : It is rolled - for example - by a child or by a person, meaning a bit bigger. We agree with him that the stone must be settled in this place, not rolled away by floods and the like, but standing at it and regarding its size, there is no need for this, because its purpose is explicit in the hadith:Sunan Abi Dawud 3206Hasan (Al-Albani), okay, I do not think that the intended meaning of "family" is the Muslims?
The questioner : Yes?
The Shaykh : All the Muslims?
The questioner : By Allah, this, O Shaykh, this needs research.
Another questioner : By Allah, O our Shaykh, may Allah reward you with good, this question will waste our time.
The questioner : I stopped.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : Did he mark the grave of Uthman?
The student : Yes, Uthman ibn Maz'un.
The Shaykh : How? Bring it so we can see.
The student : It says, in what Ibn Majah narrated with his chain of narration, that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
marked the grave of ‘Uthman bin Maz’un with a rock
أعلِّم قبر عثمان بن مظعون بصخرةThe Shaykh : Yes.
The student : And in the additions: "This is a good chain of narration, narrated by Abu Dawud from the hadith of al-Mut'ib ibn Abi Wada'ah, and in it: 'He carried the stone and placed it at his head, and said: I mark with it the grave of my brother, and I will bury beside it whoever dies of my family '."
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : This one.
The Shaykh : So, Uthman.
The student : Uthman ibn Maz'un.
The questioner : It seems to me that there is another point of difficulty here!
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : Regarding the hadith, if the hadith is authentic, and...
The Shaykh : What do you say? May Allah reward you! Heh heh, what do you say? Because you are a role model.
The questioner : No, excuse me, I say the reason seems to me that Uthman ibn Maz'un, as is well known, was the first person buried in al-Baqi' al-Gharqad.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : The first person buried, so the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) placed this stone on it because... because he was not the only one of his family who died; Uthman ibn Maz'un, in relation to the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), what is the kinship between him and him?
The Shaykh : I do not know.
The questioner : There is no kinship between him and the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). So when he says "of my family," he meant... he did not mean it because he was his relative, but rather because he was the first person buried in this place, so he wanted to make a marker on this grave so that it would not be forgotten, until it would be made a cemetery and people would be buried in it, both relatives and non-relatives.
The Shaykh : Is this not an interpretation - may Allah reward you -?!
The questioner : By Allah, I do not mean... .
The Shaykh : This is the problem of the differences you know.
The questioner : I am not seeing... because he is the truth, meaning...
The Shaykh : Meaning, between saying "I will bury beside it" and "I will bury beside her," this is the interpretation that ruined the creed, not the legal rulings and jurisprudence.
The questioner : No, because I, of course, as is well known, then the hadith says a stone! A stone! Meaning the word "stone" indicates the size of the rock, because a small stone can be lifted and moved from one place to another, which is... .
The Shaykh : What is the difference?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : Whether you allow me or not, do not hold it against me, because we have learned from you frankness and sincere advice.
The questioner : No, no, absolutely not.
The Shaykh : You mention a hadith of Ali: "When a hadith from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) comes to you, take it in its best sense."
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, so now what is the difference between the stone being large or a small stone? What is the difference between the stone being carried alone by the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) due to his strength, or a stone being carried by those around him from his Companions? There is no difference in that, because the purpose of this stone is stated in the hadith itself:
I mark
أتعلَّمI mark with it the grave of my brother
أُعلِّم به قبر أخيThe questioner : Shaykh, may Allah reward you, I know this.
The Shaykh : I know.
The questioner : I am not... the negative "ma" here.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you, and I know that you know, but I am surprised by your precision regarding whether the stone is heavy and weighty or not.
The questioner : No, I do not.
The Shaykh : What matters to us from that?
The questioner : Something important matters to us.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : And that is that a small stone can be passed by a child or a small boy, who would move this stone and throw it to another place.
The Shaykh : Correct, but what is the consequence if the stone is heavier than that?
The questioner : Excuse me, I am the one saying that the existence of a large stone means it is not easy to lift it from this place to move it to another place, and it is intended only to mark the place that will become a cemetery in the future. This is my independent reasoning, not an interpretation, as...
The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah, Glory be to Allah! I learned something from you now. I know that you know this.
The questioner : May Allah reward you.
The Shaykh : I know that you know this, but where did you get that this stone, regardless of its weight, was not to mark the grave itself, but as a gate opening to the cemetery? Where did we bring this from?
The questioner : Since he was the first person buried, meaning in this place.
The Shaykh : Where did we establish that he was the first person buried?
The questioner : This is well known in the Sunnah, may Allah reward you.
The Shaykh : Meaning, no problem, by Allah, I do not remember.
The questioner : By Allah, this is famous, meaning this report.
The Shaykh : Yes, please go ahead.
The questioner : As if we understood from the words of our brother Abu Malik that the stone is heavy in this way, and it came in the hadith of the dream in al-Bukhari:
A man collapsed on his knees, and he connected the horn of his head to a stone, striking it with his head. Every time it rolled away, he brought it back and stood on his head, then struck it with it again
رجل منسكب على ركبتيه ، واصل قرن رأسه بصخرة يضربها برأسه ، كلَّما تدحرجت جاء بها ووقف على رأسه ، فضربه بها مرة أخرىThe Shaykh : What is it, meaning, the truth is, the word "stone" is not necessarily of that size, but it is that the stone is not such that it is a small stone.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : It is rolled - for example - by a child or by a person, meaning a bit bigger. We agree with him that the stone must be settled in this place, not rolled away by floods and the like, but standing at it and regarding its size, there is no need for this, because its purpose is explicit in the hadith:
I am marking my brother's grave with it, and I shall bury beside him those of my family who die.
أعلِّم به قبر أخي ، وأدفن إليه مَن مات مِن أهليThe questioner : Yes?
The Shaykh : All the Muslims?
The questioner : By Allah, this, O Shaykh, this needs research.
Another questioner : By Allah, O our Shaykh, may Allah reward you with good, this question will waste our time.
The questioner : I stopped.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
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