A discussion between the Shaykh and some students regarding how to perform the ritual bath for the one who cast the evil eye and the one who was affected by it.

The student : The issue of the one who casts the evil eye.

The Shaykh : The one who is affected?
The student : The one who casts the evil eye.

The Shaykh : The one who casts the evil eye, yes.
The student : Yes, and how is the one affected by the evil eye treated? You mentioned, my Shaykh, to our brother Dr. 'Asim, that the one who casts the evil eye performs the ritual bath or the ablution, and then gives the water to the one who was affected to wash the edge of his garment. Glory be to Allah, my Shaykh, I had the opposite in my mind, but!

The Shaykh : How?
The student : The opposite, that it is the one who casts the evil eye who washes his extremities and the edge of his garment along with the edge of the other’s garment!

The Shaykh : Yes, the matter is easy, let us return to the book, okay, and then?
The student : This is it, and after returning to—there is no god but Allah—al-Manawi in his commentary on al-Jami' al-Saghir.

The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : He mentions this, and then here now Sami Farajani has a hadith in al-Mawarid.

The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : There is no mention of the garment, but there is a mention that the one affected by the evil eye takes and performs the ritual bath or the ablution with the water, and does not wash his garment, here in al-Mawarid in al-Mishkat, yes.

The Shaykh : Who performs the ablution for the other?
The student : The one who casts the evil eye performs the ablution for the one who was affected.

The Shaykh : Okay, and this agrees with what we had mentioned.
The student : Correct, Shaykh.

The Shaykh : But this narration does not have the issue of touching the garments from the inside.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : With the water of the ablution.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : Okay, let us look at the second narration: "He puts both his hands in it, then he washes his face in the cup, then he puts his right hand in and washes his chest in the cup, then he puts it in and washes his back, then he takes with his left hand and does that, then he washes his knees and the tips of his toes from the back of his foot, and he does that with the left leg, then he lifts that vessel before placing it on the ground which the one affected by the evil eye touched, then he spits in it, and performs the ablution, and pours on his face, and pours on his head, and the cup suffices from behind his back": Yes, here there is a note, he said: and the washing is to be brought to its end!
The student: Yes, Shaykh.

The Shaykh : This appears to be not from the completion of the elevated hadith.

The questioner: Yes, Shaykh.

The Shaykh : Check al-Mishkat for me.
The student : Here it is, my Shaykh, please, my Shaykh.

The Shaykh : Then al-Muwatta.
The student : How much, my Shaykh, is al-Muwatta?

The Shaykh : Huh?
The student : You have it here, I think, in the page of al-Muwatta.

The Shaykh : Yes, Allah is with him and from him in Sharh al-Sunnah, here the number is not mentioned.
The student : Al-Muwatta?

The Shaykh : Ah, the important thing is look here at the narration... in al-Suyuti's al-Mukhtasar commentary.
The student: Yes, Shaykh.

The Shaykh : If you do not find it, al-Muntakha is with you here.
The student : Yes, my Shaykh, meaning it does not have a page number.

The Shaykh : No, no, it is not cited, but you might find it, give me this al-Muwatta.
The student : Perhaps it is in the marginal notes.

The Shaykh : You will find it in the second or third part.
The student to the end of the hadith, is this coming with the hadith?

The Shaykh : With?
The student : With the hadith.

The Shaykh : I know, but look if there is an explanation in the commentary.
The student : Yes, Shaykh: "We found our scholars describing it, he describes the whole commentary: he washes his right hand and the left hand and so on, at the end he says: 'All of that in a cup, then, he puts the inside of his garment in the cup, and the cup is not placed on the ground, he pours on the head of the one who was affected from behind him in one pour, and it is said he performs the ritual bath and pours on him, then he tips the cup on the ground behind him'."

The Shaykh : There are additions here!
The student : This is my Shaykh's words.

The Shaykh : Commentary.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : I know there are additions not present in the hadith.
The student : Yes, from the beginning, my Shaykh, the left page: "We found our scholars..."