Is establishing the argument a condition for declaring someone a disbeliever or an open sinner?

The Shaykh : What do you have?

The questioner : I have questions, may Allah reward you with good. The first question is: Is establishing the argument a condition...?

The Shaykh : ...as in the lands of disbelief... pure... the matter requires establishing the argument... these are two examples that are completely different from each other... some are closer to the first example and some are closer to the second example... therefore, the intent of this report is that it is not permissible to make a general statement, either negative or positive... so one should not say "it is obligatory" nor "it is not obligatory," but rather it varies... the principle is that it is not permissible to declare a Muslim a disbeliever, and thereby an open sinner, and thereby an innovator, except after establishing the argument... which is well known, and what has come in its meaning... I mean by this the saying of Allah, the Exalted: , and similar to it is , and also the saying of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him): The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said... to a man from this Ummah... the principle is that the argument... is the criterion for the ruling in the issue, those examples we gave, so whoever is knowledgeable or confident that Zayd among the people... the argument has been established against him, then it is permissible to declare him a disbeliever, it is permissible to declare him an open sinner, it is permissible to declare him an innovator, otherwise not... as a condition, but rather what is obligatory is that one should be convinced that the argument has been established... this is considered... in our original lands, Albania, he mentioned it in some gatherings, and al-Di (may Allah have mercy on him)... the story goes that a learned man visited a friend of his at his home... in our lands, and it is a custom, I think, that is widespread... for example, a man enters the room and descends upon him, so when he leaves, the sandal should be turned so that the scholar does not have to strain himself to turn and circle as if he were entering, but rather he leaves the sandal ready for his feet to step into it.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : This scholar, when he visited his friend and left, found the sandals as they were, meaning he respectedThe Shaykh : leaving them as they were, and this learned man... knowledge, and he is one who maintains the prayer... and so on, its chain goes to Jibril to the Lord of the Worlds, so he is a disbeliever. It is not a condition, absolutely not, that the other scholar... it is not permissible... the declaration of open sinfulness and innovation mentioned in the previous recording.