The imam made a mistake in his prayer, so when he finished the prayer he said the closing salam twice, then prostrated for forgetfulness, then said the salam.
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The questioner : The imam made a mistake in the prayer and prostrated for forgetfulness in the manner where he first says the salam, then prostrates for forgetfulness, then says the salam. There are some people in the congregation who are latecomers, so... they stand up to complete their prayers in which the imam made a mistake... does the imam say the first salam or do they prostrate for forgetfulness with him and then stand up?
The Shaykh : One of the mistakes I see, on the occasion of this question, is the haste of some latecomers to stand up as soon as the imam says the first salam. They race ahead of him and stand up to complete their prayer while he has not yet completed his prayer. So, as the imam has done, you do. It is not permissible for the latecomer to stand up until the imam has exited from the prayer. And in this case, the imam should not exit from the prayer until he prostrates the two prostrations of forgetfulness and then says the salam to the right and to the left, as is the predominant custom. And although it is a recommended practice to sometimes limit himself to the first salam, have I answered your question? But when there is no prostration of forgetfulness, when he says the first salam, we say it is not permissible for the latecomer to stand up, due to the possibility that he has a prostration of forgetfulness upon him. So as long as this latecomer knows, after the imam has said the first salam, that he has said the salam, then he must follow him, because the imam's prayer is not yet complete.
The questioner : The imam, a scholar, said the salam to the right and said the salam to the left.
The Shaykh : How did he say the salam to the right and to the left? When, after the prostration of forgetfulness or before?
The questioner : Before. He said the salam to the right, said the salam to the left, then prostrated a prostration of forgetfulness, a second prostration, and then said the salam to the right and said the salam to the left.
The Shaykh : I did not understand this. I do not know that the imam, if he has a prostration of forgetfulness, says the salam twice. I know, if Allah wills, that he does not say the salam at all, and this is safer to dispel the confusion of the confused among the worshippers, or he says one salam to his right. Because with the single salam, the exit is realized, as I mentioned earlier, then he prostrates the two prostrations, then he says the salam, if he wills, two salams or one salam. So then, this one said two salams.
The questioner : He said two salams in the first instance, then prostrated, then said two salams when he said the second salam.
The student : That is what you said.
The questioner : That one stood up. Some of the latecomers among the worshippers stood up... some of the latecomers said, I want to follow the imam until...
The Shaykh : Good, but when the situation is like this, these people are excused, because how would they know, from behind the imam, that there is something after the second salam?
The questioner: : Ah ... .
The Shaykh : No, we have not seen it, and no one has seen it.
The questioner : Regarding the prostration of forgetfulness after the salam.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : ... this statement is for the prostration of forgetfulness if it is after the salam, like this statement in the case of the prostration of forgetfulness after the salam. It is permissible for the imam to say one salam to exit the prayer, then after that he stands... well, the hadith narrated by the imam Muslim, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prayed the midday prayer in two rak'ahs, then he said the salam, so they said to him: O Messenger of Allah, did you forget or did you shorten the prayer, as the man with the two hands said, then he stood up and...
The Shaykh : He came with two rak'ahs.
The questioner : He came with two rak'ahs, then he said the salam, then he prostrated for forgetfulness, then he said the salam, is that not so?
The Shaykh : Likewise.
The questioner : Well, the salam after the two rak'ahs... they completed the first two rak'ahs, meaning, one salam or two salams? In this specific hadith.
The Shaykh : The first two rak'ahs.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : When he said the salam by mistake?
The questioner : No... this does not concern us...
The Shaykh : This is what I want to understand, after he came with the two rak'ahs...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Did he say one salam or two salams in this hadith?
The Shaykh : This is what we answered, this is what we answered earlier, we said we do not know that the Messenger (peace be upon him) did not...
The questioner : I know that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in this hadith said two salams.
The Shaykh : Did he say two salams based on a text?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : You are saying: he said two salams.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Based on a text? Meaning.
The questioner : No, it is not based on a text.
The Shaykh: So then?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : No, I answered you, my dear, but you are making sure...
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: I mean, you... .
The questioner : I will review it.
The Shaykh : You are saying: I know this.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you know this based on a text? The text is contrary to what you know, because you narrated the hadith that he said the salam.
The questioner : Yes, he said the salam.
The Shaykh : Well, but there is not in the hadith, neither this one nor any other, that he said two salams.
The questioner : And the reason for the disagreement... a hadith, meaning, explained before us... the subject of the text... the jurists who say that it is before the salam absolutely...
The Shaykh : I know this detail, the reason for this detail is stopping at the individual words of the events, so they said the addition is before the salam, I think, and the decrease is after the salam, or the opposite.
The questioner : No, the opposite.
The Shaykh : The opposite. So when we follow the hadiths, we find the negation of the rule, yes. And therefore, we have been saying for about twenty years that forgetfulness in the prayer, whatever forgetfulness it is, one has the choice between saying the salam and then prostrating, and prostrating and then saying the salam. He has the choice in that.
The questioner : ... after the second salam, meaning he prostrated, then sat, then prostrated. The issue of sitting for the tashahhud and its absence.
The Shaykh : It is not authentic.
The questioner : It is not authentic...
The Shaykh : It is not authentic to recite the tashahhud in the prostration of forgetfulness, meaning the one who is making a mistake... if he wills, he says the salam and prostrates, and if he wills, he prostrates and says the salam without a salam, then says the salam immediately.
The questioner : Then he says the salam.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The Shaykh : One of the mistakes I see, on the occasion of this question, is the haste of some latecomers to stand up as soon as the imam says the first salam. They race ahead of him and stand up to complete their prayer while he has not yet completed his prayer. So, as the imam has done, you do. It is not permissible for the latecomer to stand up until the imam has exited from the prayer. And in this case, the imam should not exit from the prayer until he prostrates the two prostrations of forgetfulness and then says the salam to the right and to the left, as is the predominant custom. And although it is a recommended practice to sometimes limit himself to the first salam, have I answered your question? But when there is no prostration of forgetfulness, when he says the first salam, we say it is not permissible for the latecomer to stand up, due to the possibility that he has a prostration of forgetfulness upon him. So as long as this latecomer knows, after the imam has said the first salam, that he has said the salam, then he must follow him, because the imam's prayer is not yet complete.
The questioner : The imam, a scholar, said the salam to the right and said the salam to the left.
The Shaykh : How did he say the salam to the right and to the left? When, after the prostration of forgetfulness or before?
The questioner : Before. He said the salam to the right, said the salam to the left, then prostrated a prostration of forgetfulness, a second prostration, and then said the salam to the right and said the salam to the left.
The Shaykh : I did not understand this. I do not know that the imam, if he has a prostration of forgetfulness, says the salam twice. I know, if Allah wills, that he does not say the salam at all, and this is safer to dispel the confusion of the confused among the worshippers, or he says one salam to his right. Because with the single salam, the exit is realized, as I mentioned earlier, then he prostrates the two prostrations, then he says the salam, if he wills, two salams or one salam. So then, this one said two salams.
The questioner : He said two salams in the first instance, then prostrated, then said two salams when he said the second salam.
The student : That is what you said.
The questioner : That one stood up. Some of the latecomers among the worshippers stood up... some of the latecomers said, I want to follow the imam until...
The Shaykh : Good, but when the situation is like this, these people are excused, because how would they know, from behind the imam, that there is something after the second salam?
The questioner: : Ah ... .
The Shaykh : No, we have not seen it, and no one has seen it.
The questioner : Regarding the prostration of forgetfulness after the salam.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : ... this statement is for the prostration of forgetfulness if it is after the salam, like this statement in the case of the prostration of forgetfulness after the salam. It is permissible for the imam to say one salam to exit the prayer, then after that he stands... well, the hadith narrated by the imam Muslim, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prayed the midday prayer in two rak'ahs, then he said the salam, so they said to him: O Messenger of Allah, did you forget or did you shorten the prayer, as the man with the two hands said, then he stood up and...
The Shaykh : He came with two rak'ahs.
The questioner : He came with two rak'ahs, then he said the salam, then he prostrated for forgetfulness, then he said the salam, is that not so?
The Shaykh : Likewise.
The questioner : Well, the salam after the two rak'ahs... they completed the first two rak'ahs, meaning, one salam or two salams? In this specific hadith.
The Shaykh : The first two rak'ahs.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : When he said the salam by mistake?
The questioner : No... this does not concern us...
The Shaykh : This is what I want to understand, after he came with the two rak'ahs...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Did he say one salam or two salams in this hadith?
The Shaykh : This is what we answered, this is what we answered earlier, we said we do not know that the Messenger (peace be upon him) did not...
The questioner : I know that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in this hadith said two salams.
The Shaykh : Did he say two salams based on a text?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : You are saying: he said two salams.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Based on a text? Meaning.
The questioner : No, it is not based on a text.
The Shaykh: So then?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : No, I answered you, my dear, but you are making sure...
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: I mean, you... .
The questioner : I will review it.
The Shaykh : You are saying: I know this.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you know this based on a text? The text is contrary to what you know, because you narrated the hadith that he said the salam.
The questioner : Yes, he said the salam.
The Shaykh : Well, but there is not in the hadith, neither this one nor any other, that he said two salams.
The questioner : And the reason for the disagreement... a hadith, meaning, explained before us... the subject of the text... the jurists who say that it is before the salam absolutely...
The Shaykh : I know this detail, the reason for this detail is stopping at the individual words of the events, so they said the addition is before the salam, I think, and the decrease is after the salam, or the opposite.
The questioner : No, the opposite.
The Shaykh : The opposite. So when we follow the hadiths, we find the negation of the rule, yes. And therefore, we have been saying for about twenty years that forgetfulness in the prayer, whatever forgetfulness it is, one has the choice between saying the salam and then prostrating, and prostrating and then saying the salam. He has the choice in that.
The questioner : ... after the second salam, meaning he prostrated, then sat, then prostrated. The issue of sitting for the tashahhud and its absence.
The Shaykh : It is not authentic.
The questioner : It is not authentic...
The Shaykh : It is not authentic to recite the tashahhud in the prostration of forgetfulness, meaning the one who is making a mistake... if he wills, he says the salam and prostrates, and if he wills, he prostrates and says the salam without a salam, then says the salam immediately.
The questioner : Then he says the salam.
The Shaykh: Yes.
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