Discussion of the argument based on Aisha's statement after she covered her face: "And let me be recognized before the verse of hijab was revealed."
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The questioner : The story of the slander regarding Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her)
The Shaykh : My brother, my friends, do not waste our time on matters we do not deny.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : Be patient a little. The story is established that she covered her face; that is not what he is saying.
The questioner : He says: "And let me be recognized before the verse of hijab was revealed"
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, and she covered her face, correct.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Fine, and we say, especially the Mothers of the Believers, we say this, but our research is: how do you understand the verse without allowing the woman to uncover her eyes? How?
The questioner : Our women are like the women of the Companions.
The Shaykh : how
The questioner : In reality, our women wear the jilbab and can walk. Our women now wear the jilbab. My wife wears the jilbab and she can walk.
The Shaykh : No, she cannot walk while covering her face. And so I am amazed at how you address reality contrary to the Quranic text. The woman, I am telling you now, this is the jilbab. Cover your face with it like this. This is what the woman does today with the jilbab among you. It is strange, by Allah.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : My brother, I am saying, it has been an hour since I said: Our Lord, when He said[Al-Ahzab 33:59], did He order them anything else? You are now bringing up something else, saying yes, our women cover. I know, and my women cover, but with what? With the jilbab, my friends? The matter is clear. The jilbab itself does not allow the woman to cover her face, and her eyes also cannot be covered. This is your women; you do not know what they do. By Allah, it is strange.
The questioner : This means that the jilbab that was available to the wife of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) is available to all the Companions and the entire Ummah.
The Shaykh : how
The questioner : The heavy jilbab that was with Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) means that it is available to everyone.
The Shaykh : Is this obligatory? May Allah reward you. There is no leniency with the heavy jilbab. It must not be a light jilbab and a heavy jilbab; it must be heavy, not revealing and not transparent. This is an established matter with no disagreement. But I am amazed at you: why do you argue about a self-evident matter? If you lower this ghutrah (headscarf) over your face, you cannot take a step. But you can put on a burqa. Yes, but this burqa is not the jilbab.[Al-Ahzab 33:59] So do not argue in denying facts and self-evident truths.
The questioner : Meaning, you support that the woman now covers and thickens the covering until it reaches the degree of the jilbab.
The Shaykh : how
The questioner : Meaning, you are with us now.
The Shaykh : how
The questioner : Meaning, you support that it be called a covering such that it becomes the degree of the jilbab.
The Shaykh : What covering?
The questioner : The covering used by us currently is the handkerchief.
The Shaykh : No, my brother, the Quran orders the jilbab. What is the jilbab?
The questioner : It is not what covers the face.
The Shaykh : No, my brother, cover your face with the jilbab. Glory be to Allah.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Cover your face with the jilbab.
The questioner : The face is part of the rest of the body.
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner : The face is part of the rest of the body.
The Shaykh : This is a problem, by Allah. Give me [a look] so I can see. Does the woman not put her jilbab on her head? This is it. Tell me, do you do this with your women?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : I seek refuge in Allah. How is this?
The questioner : How do the women of the Messenger of Allah do it? May Allah bless you, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : My friends, my friends, we have not seen the women of the Messenger. We are seeing your women now. This is what your women do.
The questioner : If they did.
The Shaykh : Look at the answer. If we did, why don't you say "we did this" or "we did not do this"?
The questioner : You say the women of the Messenger do that, in your words it is obligatory for them, and that the women of the Messenger do that. How did they see the women of the Messenger? How did they make the matter difficult?
The Shaykh : They did not make the matter difficult for them.
The questioner : How are they... how do they walk?
The Shaykh : Look, what are you arguing about now? Facts known to the scholars.
The questioner : They used to do this, the women of the Messenger.
The Shaykh : Yes, and otherwise, do you see? Every time we solve the problem for you, you say "how do we do the matter?" By Allah, it is strange. Meaning, say it this way, like this. You are not satisfied with this, and you are not satisfied with that. It is one eye, even.
The questioner : May Allah preserve you. Do not make me an old man, you have tired me, O Shaykh.
Another questioner :[Al-Ahzab 33:59]
Another questioner: There is a hadith, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : No, by Allah, the issue, the real matter, is very clear.
The questioner : ... May Allah bless you.
The Shaykh : And what am I to do?
The questioner : We are not in a position of challenge.
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you.
The questioner : You are our Shaykh and our teacher.
The Shaykh : No problem.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good
The questioner : ... ourselves.
The Shaykh : But what do you see from me? I mean, without offense, there is one who prolongs himself with you in discussion and argument as you have seen. I mean, I am with you, but I am truly amazed. I am amazed, and you are the Arabs, and He revealed the Quran in your language, and He says:[Al-Ahzab 33:59] [Al-Ahzab 33:59]. You interpret the verse and insist on this interpretation: they cover, they cover, it is "they cover," and you are stubborn. They say, "Our companion does this." We see your women and we see our women. There is no woman who covers her face with her jilbab like this. In that case, she cannot walk a single step. But the Lord of the Worlds, who revealed the Quran in clear Arabic, the woman in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance walked like this, as you see. Some Iraqi women put on the abaya and everything is clear. So He said: [Al-Ahzab 33:59]. All of this is called "idna" (lowering). The "idna" may be like this: the face is covered, as Ibn Abbas and Ibn Umar said, that this is permissible for the woman to show. And it may be, and it may be like this. So you are not satisfied, neither with this nor with this.
The questioner : Like this, the woman is recognized.
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner : Meaning, in this form, the woman is recognized as the daughter of so-and-so. She is recognized, recognized by her appearance like this.
The Shaykh : And I tell you, how do you interpret the verse then? You are not accepting self-evident matters and you are saying to me, "You are... we benefit from you," and so on. And I am walking with you, but I am standing by this apparent meaning. You have preceded Ibn Hazm in this apparent meaning. Ibn Hazm does not say, nor does anyone else, that[Al-Ahzab 33:59]. This is the most extreme in fanaticism. He said: show one eye. One eye. Ha, do you see? Some are lenient. May Allah reward him with good. He said: two eyes. You are not satisfied even with one eye or two eyes. By Allah, this is a problem.
The Shaykh : My brother, my friends, do not waste our time on matters we do not deny.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : Be patient a little. The story is established that she covered her face; that is not what he is saying.
The questioner : He says: "And let me be recognized before the verse of hijab was revealed"
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, and she covered her face, correct.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Fine, and we say, especially the Mothers of the Believers, we say this, but our research is: how do you understand the verse without allowing the woman to uncover her eyes? How?
The questioner : Our women are like the women of the Companions.
The Shaykh : how
The questioner : In reality, our women wear the jilbab and can walk. Our women now wear the jilbab. My wife wears the jilbab and she can walk.
The Shaykh : No, she cannot walk while covering her face. And so I am amazed at how you address reality contrary to the Quranic text. The woman, I am telling you now, this is the jilbab. Cover your face with it like this. This is what the woman does today with the jilbab among you. It is strange, by Allah.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : My brother, I am saying, it has been an hour since I said: Our Lord, when He said
to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments
يدنين عليهن من جلابيبهنThe questioner : This means that the jilbab that was available to the wife of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) is available to all the Companions and the entire Ummah.
The Shaykh : how
The questioner : The heavy jilbab that was with Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) means that it is available to everyone.
The Shaykh : Is this obligatory? May Allah reward you. There is no leniency with the heavy jilbab. It must not be a light jilbab and a heavy jilbab; it must be heavy, not revealing and not transparent. This is an established matter with no disagreement. But I am amazed at you: why do you argue about a self-evident matter? If you lower this ghutrah (headscarf) over your face, you cannot take a step. But you can put on a burqa. Yes, but this burqa is not the jilbab.
to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments
يدنين عليهن من جلابيبهنThe questioner : Meaning, you support that the woman now covers and thickens the covering until it reaches the degree of the jilbab.
The Shaykh : how
The questioner : Meaning, you are with us now.
The Shaykh : how
The questioner : Meaning, you support that it be called a covering such that it becomes the degree of the jilbab.
The Shaykh : What covering?
The questioner : The covering used by us currently is the handkerchief.
The Shaykh : No, my brother, the Quran orders the jilbab. What is the jilbab?
The questioner : It is not what covers the face.
The Shaykh : No, my brother, cover your face with the jilbab. Glory be to Allah.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Cover your face with the jilbab.
The questioner : The face is part of the rest of the body.
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner : The face is part of the rest of the body.
The Shaykh : This is a problem, by Allah. Give me [a look] so I can see. Does the woman not put her jilbab on her head? This is it. Tell me, do you do this with your women?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : I seek refuge in Allah. How is this?
The questioner : How do the women of the Messenger of Allah do it? May Allah bless you, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : My friends, my friends, we have not seen the women of the Messenger. We are seeing your women now. This is what your women do.
The questioner : If they did.
The Shaykh : Look at the answer. If we did, why don't you say "we did this" or "we did not do this"?
The questioner : You say the women of the Messenger do that, in your words it is obligatory for them, and that the women of the Messenger do that. How did they see the women of the Messenger? How did they make the matter difficult?
The Shaykh : They did not make the matter difficult for them.
The questioner : How are they... how do they walk?
The Shaykh : Look, what are you arguing about now? Facts known to the scholars.
The questioner : They used to do this, the women of the Messenger.
The Shaykh : Yes, and otherwise, do you see? Every time we solve the problem for you, you say "how do we do the matter?" By Allah, it is strange. Meaning, say it this way, like this. You are not satisfied with this, and you are not satisfied with that. It is one eye, even.
The questioner : May Allah preserve you. Do not make me an old man, you have tired me, O Shaykh.
Another questioner :
That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused
ذلك أدنى ألا يعرفن فلا يؤذينAnother questioner: There is a hadith, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : No, by Allah, the issue, the real matter, is very clear.
The questioner : ... May Allah bless you.
The Shaykh : And what am I to do?
The questioner : We are not in a position of challenge.
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you.
The questioner : You are our Shaykh and our teacher.
The Shaykh : No problem.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good
The questioner : ... ourselves.
The Shaykh : But what do you see from me? I mean, without offense, there is one who prolongs himself with you in discussion and argument as you have seen. I mean, I am with you, but I am truly amazed. I am amazed, and you are the Arabs, and He revealed the Quran in your language, and He says:
to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments
يدنين عليهن من جلابيهنto bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments
يدنين عليهن من جلابيهنto bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments
يدنين عليهن من جلابيهنThe questioner : Like this, the woman is recognized.
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner : Meaning, in this form, the woman is recognized as the daughter of so-and-so. She is recognized, recognized by her appearance like this.
The Shaykh : And I tell you, how do you interpret the verse then? You are not accepting self-evident matters and you are saying to me, "You are... we benefit from you," and so on. And I am walking with you, but I am standing by this apparent meaning. You have preceded Ibn Hazm in this apparent meaning. Ibn Hazm does not say, nor does anyone else, that