On the issue of the one who abandons prayer in the reported hadith: (Whoever abandons it has committed disbelief), meaning: the one who abandons it, so the term refers to the abandoner, not the act of abandoning.

The questioner: O Shaykh, today you mentioned the one who abandons prayer out of negligence, O Shaykh. You said that the texts that came regarding the one who abandons prayer out of negligence did not apply the term "disbelief" to him, or that he is a disbeliever; ... it is disbelief,

The Shaykh: ... of the prayer.

The questioner: If Allah wills, we will go, O Shaykh.

The Shaykh: All right; record this question of yours, and we will answer it; even though we have spoken about this in detail.

The questioner: But I mean we mentionedThe Shaykh : Nasser, how, if someone is confused and says this; how is he to be refuted?

The Shaykh: We answered it, were you in the gathering or not?

The questioner: ... but I mean here it refers to the abandoner, not the act of abandoning, meaning it refers to him; ; he means the man, or how, O Shaykh?

The Shaykh: And we say about others?

The questioner: Did he not ... abandon it?

The Shaykh: What did he say, so he is a disbeliever, or he has committed disbelief?

The questioner : .

The Shaykh: , all right; it is not immediately, meaning you are observing the word "abandoner" or "abandoning"; why are you going around the word "abandoning" or "abandoner"? What is your intention?

The questioner: The intention - O Shaykh - is that it seems to me I understood from your words ... - O Shaykh - that you mentioned that the disbelief there is not major shirk, but rather this act is disbelief, like: , and we do not call him a disbeliever, but I mean there is no difference between this hadith and the hadith: , where in the first one it refers to the fighting, while in the second one it refers to the abandoner, meaning the same ...; meaning it refers to the act in the first one, and in the second one it is disbelief; it refers to the act of fighting and in ... meaning he.

The Shaykh: What is the difference between abandoning prayer, which is an act because he did not pray, and that one who fought his Muslim brother and it was said of him that he committed disbelief; what is the difference between the two matters?

The questioner: Meaning, we say here, it is possible - O Shaykh - that regarding the one who abandons prayer out of negligence, meaning does he commit disbelief?

The Shaykh: You are asking about something we researched for nearly half an hour, how do I want you to be convinced now that he does not commit disbelief as long as he is a believer? How do we declare him a disbeliever? And we gave examples and many examples for that.

The questioner: If you have removed the doubt in this, may Allah reward you with good.