You mentioned, O Shaykh, that the one who abandons prayer does not become a disbeliever, and that the hadith: (So whoever abandons it has committed disbelief) is like the hadith
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The questioner : All right, O Shaykh, today regarding the one who abandons prayer, you mentioned, O Shaykh, that if the one who abandons prayer does so out of negligence, O Shaykh, you said that the texts that came regarding the one who abandons prayer out of negligence did not apply the term "disbeliever" to him or say that he is a disbeliever; rather, they mentioned that his action is disbelief. All right, Sunan Ibn Majah 1079Sahih (Darussalam)
The Shaykh : Do you not want to go to prayer?
The questioner : We will go, O Shaykh, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : All right, record this question of yours and we will answer it, even though today we spoke about this in detail.
The questioner : Yes, but I mean, you mentioned, O Shaykh, I mean how, I mean if someone were to object and say this, how would one respond to him?
The Shaykh : We answered it. Were you in the gathering or not?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And then?
The questioner : But I mean, here it returns to the one who abandons, not the abandonment, meaning it returns to him, the one who abandoned it, meaning the man, or how, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : And we say about others?
The questioner : Is he not called a disbeliever for abandoning it?
The Shaykh : What did he say, "he is a disbeliever" or "he has committed disbelief"?
The questioner : He has committed disbelief.
The Shaykh : All right, why are you saying, I mean why are you observing the word "abandoner" or "abandoning," why are you going around the word "abandoning" or "abandoner," what is your intention?
The questioner : The intention, O Shaykh, is that it seems to me I understood from your words today, O Shaykh, you mentioned that the disbelief here is not major shirk, but rather this action is disbelief, likeSahih Muslim 64a, so we do not apply the term "disbeliever" to him.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : But I mean, is there not a difference between this hadith and the hadithSunan Ibn Majah 1079Sahih (Darussalam), where in the first one it returns to the fighting, whereas in the second one it returns to the one who abandons, meaning the same person, meaning it returns to the action in the first one, "and fighting him is disbelief" returns to the action.
The Shaykh : This abandonment, what is the difference between abandoning prayer, which is an action, because he did not pray?
The questioner : Very well.
The Shaykh : All right, and that one fought his Muslim brother and it was said about him that he committed disbelief, what is the difference between the two matters?
The questioner : Meaning, do we say regarding the one who abandons prayer out of negligence, does he become a disbeliever?
The Shaykh : You are asking about something we researched for nearly half an hour. How can I now convince you that he does not become a disbeliever, as long as he is a believer, how can we declare him a disbeliever?! And we gave examples and many examples regarding that.
The questioner : I mean, removing the doubt in this only, O Shaykh. May Allah reward you with good.
Another questioner: We researched this today in the morning, it is on the tapes.
so whoever leaves it, he has committed Kufr.
فمن تركها فقد كفرThe Shaykh : Do you not want to go to prayer?
The questioner : We will go, O Shaykh, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : All right, record this question of yours and we will answer it, even though today we spoke about this in detail.
The questioner : Yes, but I mean, you mentioned, O Shaykh, I mean how, I mean if someone were to object and say this, how would one respond to him?
The Shaykh : We answered it. Were you in the gathering or not?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And then?
The questioner : But I mean, here it returns to the one who abandons, not the abandonment, meaning it returns to him, the one who abandoned it, meaning the man, or how, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : And we say about others?
The questioner : Is he not called a disbeliever for abandoning it?
The Shaykh : What did he say, "he is a disbeliever" or "he has committed disbelief"?
The questioner : He has committed disbelief.
The Shaykh : All right, why are you saying, I mean why are you observing the word "abandoner" or "abandoning," why are you going around the word "abandoning" or "abandoner," what is your intention?
The questioner : The intention, O Shaykh, is that it seems to me I understood from your words today, O Shaykh, you mentioned that the disbelief here is not major shirk, but rather this action is disbelief, like
Abusing a Muslim is an outrage and fighting against him is unbelief
سباب المسلم فسوق وقتاله كفرThe Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : But I mean, is there not a difference between this hadith and the hadith
so whoever leaves it, he has committed Kufr.
فمن تركها فقد كفرThe Shaykh : This abandonment, what is the difference between abandoning prayer, which is an action, because he did not pray?
The questioner : Very well.
The Shaykh : All right, and that one fought his Muslim brother and it was said about him that he committed disbelief, what is the difference between the two matters?
The questioner : Meaning, do we say regarding the one who abandons prayer out of negligence, does he become a disbeliever?
The Shaykh : You are asking about something we researched for nearly half an hour. How can I now convince you that he does not become a disbeliever, as long as he is a believer, how can we declare him a disbeliever?! And we gave examples and many examples regarding that.
The questioner : I mean, removing the doubt in this only, O Shaykh. May Allah reward you with good.
Another questioner: We researched this today in the morning, it is on the tapes.