regarding a substance extracted from animal fats that is used as a preservative for various food items, such as biscuits and chocolate
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The questioner: Regarding this... we have spoken about it a great deal, but there remains a specific point; the issue of some chocolate ingredients; meaning, for example, the proportion in them is unknown.
Another questioner: They do not write the proportion here.
The questioner: Sometimes, Professor, regarding milk chocolate and others, in any case, if the proportion is not written, it is not present; how can we clarify it?
The Shaykh: I... regarding this... what was the hadith?
The questioner: About... a substance extracted from animal fats, and we spoke regarding the issue of milk, that its proportion is two per ten percent; meaning two per thousand, a very small proportion.
The Shaykh: In milk?
The questioner: In milk.
The Shaykh: What kind of milk?
The questioner: Milk, most types of milk, and the principle is that it must be present in every type.
The Shaykh: Canned milk or what?
The questioner: Canned.
Another questioner: This dry one.
The Shaykh: You mean Nido?
The questioner: Yes, yes, Nido.
Another questioner : ... .
The questioner: ... so your statement was that the issue of the proportion is this small, so it is permissible in the sense that it is negligible... excused. Now, regarding chocolate and biscuits, and this, no proportion is mentioned at all in them, as far as I know, or in the case of not mentioning a proportion; what is our position?
The Shaykh: Do you mean... the proportion that it is a separate substance, not a mixture; do you mean this or what? Do you mean it is a mixture but the proportion is not known; is that what you intend.
The questioner: Yes, yes, meaning in milk, for example, they mention two per ten percent; two per thousand, meaning, from every thousand grams, two grams; this is in the second substances, sometimes they do not mention it.
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The Shaykh: You said sometimes; do you mean that?
The questioner: Brother Muhammad says they write it, but I have never read a proportion, and perhaps the brother... company, meaning in the issue, for example, of chocolate and biscuits and such, I have never read a proportion at all, but in milk they constantly write the proportion, and its proportion is small in milk, whereas in the second substances, meaning, based on the statement.
The Shaykh: And is it all in this substance?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: Yes, it is written so and so.
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Another questioner: It seems they call it a preservative, O our Shaykh, there are preservatives.
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The Shaykh: Okay; this issue requires study from two aspects:
The first aspect is what is the purpose of adding the substance in these various types of foods or sweets; because if the purpose is known, it is possible to approximate the knowledge of the proportion; meaning, let us assume now that this cake has sugar, but what is the proportion of sugar relative to the water and relative to the flour and relative to the eggs, and so on, for example? Without doubt, the sugar substance in this dough is not the majority. This is an example to clarify what I wanted to convey, which is what is the purpose of placing this substance? If the purpose is known, it is possible.
Another questioner: Knowing the proportion.
The Shaykh: No; it is possible to know the nature of the proportion, not specifically whether it is much or little; whether we say it is little or much, but we do not specify, we cannot specify; it is an approximate issue. The second thing that is necessary is asking the chemists, these people, that this biscuit, for example, which has this substance, if they... the examination reveals to them; I say this, meaning, what is your opinion, does it reveal or not?
Another questioner: Yes, it reveals in the laboratory.
The Shaykh: Does the proportion not reveal?
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: So I say: until the proportion is revealed, I have no objection; because the usage, considering that if the substance is impure, the impurity is not apparent in this compound, and if the substance is pure but it is forbidden, the effect of the forbidden is not clear, more and more, in this issue... if the chemical analysis or what do you call it?
Those present: Analysis.
The Shaykh: Chemical analysis clarifies something for us that was not expected, at that time, every new event has a new ruling.
The questioner: Buy us a laboratory to run tests on the substances for us, O Shaykh.
Another questioner: They do not write the proportion here.
The questioner: Sometimes, Professor, regarding milk chocolate and others, in any case, if the proportion is not written, it is not present; how can we clarify it?
The Shaykh: I... regarding this... what was the hadith?
The questioner: About... a substance extracted from animal fats, and we spoke regarding the issue of milk, that its proportion is two per ten percent; meaning two per thousand, a very small proportion.
The Shaykh: In milk?
The questioner: In milk.
The Shaykh: What kind of milk?
The questioner: Milk, most types of milk, and the principle is that it must be present in every type.
The Shaykh: Canned milk or what?
The questioner: Canned.
Another questioner: This dry one.
The Shaykh: You mean Nido?
The questioner: Yes, yes, Nido.
Another questioner : ... .
The questioner: ... so your statement was that the issue of the proportion is this small, so it is permissible in the sense that it is negligible... excused. Now, regarding chocolate and biscuits, and this, no proportion is mentioned at all in them, as far as I know, or in the case of not mentioning a proportion; what is our position?
The Shaykh: Do you mean... the proportion that it is a separate substance, not a mixture; do you mean this or what? Do you mean it is a mixture but the proportion is not known; is that what you intend.
The questioner: Yes, yes, meaning in milk, for example, they mention two per ten percent; two per thousand, meaning, from every thousand grams, two grams; this is in the second substances, sometimes they do not mention it.
...
The Shaykh: You said sometimes; do you mean that?
The questioner: Brother Muhammad says they write it, but I have never read a proportion, and perhaps the brother... company, meaning in the issue, for example, of chocolate and biscuits and such, I have never read a proportion at all, but in milk they constantly write the proportion, and its proportion is small in milk, whereas in the second substances, meaning, based on the statement.
The Shaykh: And is it all in this substance?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: Yes, it is written so and so.
...
Another questioner: It seems they call it a preservative, O our Shaykh, there are preservatives.
...
The Shaykh: Okay; this issue requires study from two aspects:
The first aspect is what is the purpose of adding the substance in these various types of foods or sweets; because if the purpose is known, it is possible to approximate the knowledge of the proportion; meaning, let us assume now that this cake has sugar, but what is the proportion of sugar relative to the water and relative to the flour and relative to the eggs, and so on, for example? Without doubt, the sugar substance in this dough is not the majority. This is an example to clarify what I wanted to convey, which is what is the purpose of placing this substance? If the purpose is known, it is possible.
Another questioner: Knowing the proportion.
The Shaykh: No; it is possible to know the nature of the proportion, not specifically whether it is much or little; whether we say it is little or much, but we do not specify, we cannot specify; it is an approximate issue. The second thing that is necessary is asking the chemists, these people, that this biscuit, for example, which has this substance, if they... the examination reveals to them; I say this, meaning, what is your opinion, does it reveal or not?
Another questioner: Yes, it reveals in the laboratory.
The Shaykh: Does the proportion not reveal?
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: So I say: until the proportion is revealed, I have no objection; because the usage, considering that if the substance is impure, the impurity is not apparent in this compound, and if the substance is pure but it is forbidden, the effect of the forbidden is not clear, more and more, in this issue... if the chemical analysis or what do you call it?
Those present: Analysis.
The Shaykh: Chemical analysis clarifies something for us that was not expected, at that time, every new event has a new ruling.
The questioner: Buy us a laboratory to run tests on the substances for us, O Shaykh.
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