What is the meaning of the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): “The killer and the killed are in the Fire”?

The Shaykh : You started the question with a hadith that I think you did not know in its entirety. If you had known it in its entirety, it might have saved you from asking me. When the Messenger (peace be upon him) said: They said: This is the killer; so what about the killed? He said: . This is the hadith in its entirety, and it is in "Sahih al-Bukhari". Now that you have learned this hadith, a question arises regarding...

The questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : What is the connection of the hadith...?

The questioner : This is applied to Muslims; the war that took place.

The Shaykh : I am asking you whether the hadith has a connection... to 'Ali and 'A'ishah or not?

The questioner : I want to know.

The Shaykh : I am not asking you what you want... those who want [everyone laughs!], just tell me, did it become clear to you that the hadith has no connection to the fighting you asked about, or did it not become clear?

The questioner : No, it did not become clear.

The Shaykh : But like this, why do you keep trying to twist and turn like others do? Do you understand from the hadith whether he intended to kill his companion with right or without right? Also tell me: Do I know or do I not know?

The questioner : He does not know.

The Shaykh : He is half of the knowledge, I do not know, see how? There is no doubt that the intended meaning of the hadith is: without right; why? Because if he intended to kill his companion without right, there is no doubt that the hadith intends that this is the one who is like the killer in that they are both in the Fire, the reason being that he intended to kill his companion without right. But if he intended to kill his companion with right, then would every person who kills a disbeliever with right also be in the Fire? Does anyone say this? Did you understand the question?

The questioner : I understood.

The Shaykh : Good; more than this , is this hadith well-known?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : Good; a man enters your house intending to rob you of your wealth, do you say to him: Please, my master... or do you resist him? If he intends to kill you, what do you do?

The questioner : By Allah, I would like to kill him.

The Shaykh : Yes?

The questioner : I would kill him.

The Shaykh : You would kill him.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : You would kill him, would you be with him in the Fire?

The questioner : No, my intention was not to kill him in the first place.

The Shaykh : Ah, so now you have understood the hadith, without right. He intended to kill you in order to take your wealth, and you intended to kill him to defend your wealth; so you are in killing him with right, and he is in his attempt to kill you with falsehood, without right; correct?

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : So then, even if you killed him with right, you would not be in the Fire; correct?

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : So what about the killed? He said: with right or without right?

Another questioner : Without right.

The Shaykh : If you did not understand it, the matter of 'Ali and 'A'ishah, you did not understand it.

The questioner : No, I understood it, but...

The Shaykh : ... this question, did you understand whether he killed his companion with right or without right?

The questioner : Of course, the first one who was killing was without right.

The Shaykh : Good; and this second one?

The questioner : The second one was with right because he was defending himself.

The Shaykh : Is it not in the picture you imagined?

The questioner : The picture, these are all without right, of course.

The Shaykh : My brother, we have a picture that the hadith addressed, and we have a second picture that I discussed with you in order for you to understand the hadith. The picture of the hadith is: ; because both the killer and the killed intended to kill their companion without right. As for the picture I illustrated for you just for you to understand, when you killed the one who was aggressing against you wanting to take your wealth, you killed him with right, not without right, so you are not gathered with him, nor are you tormented with him in the Fire. So our picture is not that picture. The important thing is that we now know that the meaning of the hadith is that he intended to kill his companion without right, and that killer killed that victim without right, correct?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : So both the killer and the killed meet their companion in that they will be thrown into the Fire because each of them intended to kill the other without right, good? Now it becomes very easy for us - with the permission of Allah - to understand the answer to the question or the rest of the question; which is the fighting between 'A'ishah and 'Ali, for example, and indeed the fighting between 'Ali and Mu'awiyah. Your problem here is that you were afflicted by the Shi'ah. Now do you believe that 'Ali fought 'A'ishah with falsehood or with right? I mean in terms of his intention; regardless of whether he was correct or wrong, that is another research, meaning we do not enter into it now, the matter is returned to Allah; correct or not? But what do you imagine about a Muslim who intends to kill his companion with right or without right?

The questioner : With right.

The Shaykh : Now based on the rule; did 'Ali fight 'A'ishah with right or without right?

The questioner : With right.

The Shaykh : Good; in terms of his intention, not in terms of correctness and error; meaning, does any imam of the Muslims issue a fatwa or legislate an issue intending the truth and not intending falsehood? But in the result, he may be wrong and he may be correct; correct or not? Good; now the question is reversed and it is said: When 'A'ishah fought 'Ali, did she intend to fight 'Ali to kill him without right or with right?

The questioner : Without doubt, with right.

The Shaykh : Good; so it is established for you that there is no connection between the hadith and this story, and praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds, and sufficient is Allah for the believers in fighting, good?

The questioner: Good.

The Shaykh : Do you have anything else?