What is the meaning of the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): "The killer and the killed are in the Fire"? [The discussion concerns the fighting that took place among the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them)]
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The Shaykh : You started your question with a hadith that I think you do not know in its entirety. If you had known it in its entirety, it might have spared you the need to ask me. Perhaps when the Messenger (peace be upon him) said Sahih Muslim 2888b they said, "This is the killer, but what about the killed?" He said, This is the hadith in its entirety, and it is in Sahih al-Bukhari. Now that you have known the hadith, a question arises regarding ... .
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : What do you know about what happens?
The questioner : This applies to the war that took place among the Muslims.
The Shaykh : I am asking you: does the hadith have a connection to ... Ali and A'ishah, or not?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : I am asking you about what you sought ... the aggressors. Tell me, but make it clear to you that the hadith has no connection to the fighting asked about, or do you not make it clear?
The questioner : No, it is not clear.
The Shaykh : But why do you try to twist and turn like others do? Do you understand from the hadith that he intended to kill his companion with right or without right? Tell me, do I know or do I not know? It is half of knowledge: I do not know. There is no doubt that the intended meaning of the hadith is Why? Because if he intended to kill him, let him kill his companion without right. There is no doubt that the hadith intends that this one, who is like the killer in that they are both in the Fire, is so because he intended to kill his companion without right. As for if he intended to kill his companion with right, then would every person who kills a disbeliever with right also be in the Fire? Does anyone say that? Did you understand the question? More than this: Sahih Muslim 141a A man enters your house intending to rob you of your wealth. Do you say, "Please, sir, ... my self," or do you resist him? If he intends to kill you, what do you do?
The questioner : I kill him.
The Shaykh : You kill him.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : You kill him and you are with him in the Fire?
The questioner : My intention was not to kill him in the first place?The Shaykh : Yes. So now you have understood the hadith: he intended to kill his companion without right. He intended to kill you to take your wealth, and if you intended to kill him to defend your wealth, then you are in killing him with right, and he is in his attempt to kill you in falsehood, without right. So if you, even though you killed him with right, are in the Fire, then what about the killed one? He said, With right or without right? ... Ali and A'ishah.
The questioner : No, I understood, but...
The Shaykh : Did you understand that he kills his companion with right or without right?
The questioner : Of course, the first one who was killing was without right.
The Shaykh : Good, and the second one?
The questioner : The second one was with right, because he was defending himself.
The Shaykh : In the picture?
The questioner : These are all without right, of course.
The Shaykh : My brother, we have a picture that the hadith addresses, and we have a second picture. I spoke to you to help you understand the hadith. The picture of the hadith isSahih Muslim 2888b because both the killer and the killed intended to kill their companion without right. As for the picture I illustrated for you to help you understand, when you killed the aggressor who wanted your wealth, you killed him with right and not without right. So you are not gathered with him, nor are you tormented with him in the Fire. Our picture is different from that picture. The important thing is that we now know the hadith means he intended to kill his companion without right, but the killer killed this victim without right, correct?
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : So both the killer and the killed meet their companion in that they enter the Fire because each of them intended to kill the other without right. Now, with the permission of Allah, it is very easy for us to understand the answer to the question, or the rest of the question, which is the fighting between A'ishah and Ali, for example, and the fighting between Ali and Mu'awiyah. Your problem here is that you have become Shi'ah. Now you believe that Ali fought A'ishah in falsehood or with right? I mean, in terms of his management, regardless of whether he was correct or wrong after the second point, I mean, we do not enter into that now. We leave the matter to Allah, correct or not? But what do you imagine: does a Muslim want to kill his companion with right or without right?
The questioner : With right.
The Shaykh : Now, based on the rule, when Ali fought A'ishah, was it with right or without right? In terms of his intention, not in terms of correctness or error. I mean, does any imam of the Muslims issue a fatwa or legislate for an issue intending the truth or intending falsehood? But in the result, he may be mistaken or he may be correct, correct or not? Good. Now the question is reversed and it is said: when A'ishah fought Ali, did she intend to fight Ali to kill him without right or with right?
The questioner : There is no doubt that it was with right.
The Shaykh : Good. So it is established that the hadith has no connection to this story, and praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. And Allah is sufficient for the believers in fighting. Good.
The questioner : Good.
The Shaykh : Do you have anything else?
both the slayer and the slain are doomed to Hell-Fire
القاتل والمقتول في النارHe intended to kill his companion
أراد أن يقتل صاحبهThe questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : What do you know about what happens?
The questioner : This applies to the war that took place among the Muslims.
The Shaykh : I am asking you: does the hadith have a connection to ... Ali and A'ishah, or not?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : I am asking you about what you sought ... the aggressors. Tell me, but make it clear to you that the hadith has no connection to the fighting asked about, or do you not make it clear?
The questioner : No, it is not clear.
The Shaykh : But why do you try to twist and turn like others do?
He intended to kill his companion
أراد أن يقتل صاحبهHe intended to kill his companion without right
أراد أن يقتل صاحبه بغير حقHe who died in protecting his property is a martyr.
من مات دون ماله فهو شهيدThe questioner : I kill him.
The Shaykh : You kill him.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : You kill him and you are with him in the Fire?
The questioner : My intention was not to kill him in the first place?The Shaykh : Yes. So now you have understood the hadith: he intended to kill his companion without right. He intended to kill you to take your wealth, and if you intended to kill him to defend your wealth, then you are in killing him with right, and he is in his attempt to kill you in falsehood, without right. So if you, even though you killed him with right, are in the Fire, then what about the killed one? He said,
He intended to kill his companion
أراد أن يقتل صاحبهThe questioner : No, I understood, but...
The Shaykh : Did you understand that he kills his companion with right or without right?
The questioner : Of course, the first one who was killing was without right.
The Shaykh : Good, and the second one?
The questioner : The second one was with right, because he was defending himself.
The Shaykh : In the picture?
The questioner : These are all without right, of course.
The Shaykh : My brother, we have a picture that the hadith addresses, and we have a second picture. I spoke to you to help you understand the hadith. The picture of the hadith is
both the slayer and the slain are doomed to Hell-Fire
القاتل والمقتول في النارThe questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : So both the killer and the killed meet their companion in that they enter the Fire because each of them intended to kill the other without right. Now, with the permission of Allah, it is very easy for us to understand the answer to the question, or the rest of the question, which is the fighting between A'ishah and Ali, for example, and the fighting between Ali and Mu'awiyah. Your problem here is that you have become Shi'ah. Now you believe that Ali fought A'ishah in falsehood or with right? I mean, in terms of his management, regardless of whether he was correct or wrong after the second point, I mean, we do not enter into that now. We leave the matter to Allah, correct or not? But what do you imagine: does a Muslim want to kill his companion with right or without right?
The questioner : With right.
The Shaykh : Now, based on the rule, when Ali fought A'ishah, was it with right or without right? In terms of his intention, not in terms of correctness or error. I mean, does any imam of the Muslims issue a fatwa or legislate for an issue intending the truth or intending falsehood? But in the result, he may be mistaken or he may be correct, correct or not? Good. Now the question is reversed and it is said: when A'ishah fought Ali, did she intend to fight Ali to kill him without right or with right?
The questioner : There is no doubt that it was with right.
The Shaykh : Good. So it is established that the hadith has no connection to this story, and praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. And Allah is sufficient for the believers in fighting. Good.
The questioner : Good.
The Shaykh : Do you have anything else?