The study of the meaning and interpretation of the saying of Allah, the Exalted: “And We were not to punish until We sent a messenger”
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The Shaykh : Where do you go with the saying of Allah, the Exalted: [Al-Isra 17:15]?
The questioner : ... You began the question on the assumption ... .
The Shaykh : Where is the messenger?
The questioner : Among us ... .
The Shaykh : ... But ... there is none among others, I said ... a person who disbelieves in reality, meaning he holds the belief of disbelief and speaks the words of disbelief, while he is unaware of the words of disbelief.
The questioner : It is not known.
The Shaykh : He does not know ... he does not know, he is not aware, he is unaware that it is disbelief, and I mean what I am saying, but in my view they are all of the same rank. You said this ... with the polytheists, so where do you go with the verse:[Al-Isra 17:15]? And where do you go with [An-Naml 27:14]? How do you rule that this person is a disbeliever?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ... In your way.
The questioner : No, you are the one who debated me about the verse.
The Shaykh : My brother, answer me, tell me, I am asking; where do you go? I say: I go to the meaning that the verse is such and such, and the meaning of the verse is such and such.
The questioner : The messenger was sent to them ... .
The Shaykh : Here, this is the answer, not ... that you answer with verses; this is prohibited in the Qur'an, it is disputing, I am reminding you with verses, I tell you: where do you go with them? You oppose me with what? With other verses, this is not permissible in the Shari'ah ... .
The questioner : Yes, meaning read the Qur'an ... it was revealed, and I will not forget the text you bring, it is with me, I will bring you one like it, it is the same.
The Shaykh : The text I have, what is it?
The questioner[Al-Isra 17:15] You cited it as evidence for the lack of knowledge of a person ... .
The Shaykh : I am telling you: where do you go with this verse? What must your answer be, that Allah said such and such? Or is your answer: the meaning of the verse, you are wrong in its meaning; its meaning is such and such? You have brought me a second verse, so you tell me: I have a third verse? It is disputing with the Qur'an, which is prohibited, my brother!! You want to tell me: the verse, you are mistaken in understanding it, and its correct meaning as I understand it - meaning you - is such and such, so the discussion revolves around the first verse, around the second verse, so either we end in agreement as ... - and praise be to Allah - ... or we differ; at that point we tell you: bring it so we can see the verse you have, will it help us to agree, I agree with you, but I answer you with a verse, you answer me with a hadith, I answer you with a second verse, you answer me with a second hadith ... it is exactly the prohibited disputing, so may Allah reward you; where do you go with the verse:[Al-Isra 17:15]? Does this verse include this type that I am asking you about?
And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولًاThe questioner : ... You began the question on the assumption ... .
The Shaykh : Where is the messenger?
The questioner : Among us ... .
The Shaykh : ... But ... there is none among others, I said ... a person who disbelieves in reality, meaning he holds the belief of disbelief and speaks the words of disbelief, while he is unaware of the words of disbelief.
The questioner : It is not known.
The Shaykh : He does not know ... he does not know, he is not aware, he is unaware that it is disbelief, and I mean what I am saying, but in my view they are all of the same rank. You said this ... with the polytheists, so where do you go with the verse:
And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولًاAnd they rejected them, while their [inner] selves were convinced thereof
وَجَحَدُوا بِهَا وَاسْتَيْقَنَتْهَا أَنْفُسُهُمْThe questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ... In your way.
The questioner : No, you are the one who debated me about the verse.
The Shaykh : My brother, answer me, tell me, I am asking; where do you go? I say: I go to the meaning that the verse is such and such, and the meaning of the verse is such and such.
The questioner : The messenger was sent to them ... .
The Shaykh : Here, this is the answer, not ... that you answer with verses; this is prohibited in the Qur'an, it is disputing, I am reminding you with verses, I tell you: where do you go with them? You oppose me with what? With other verses, this is not permissible in the Shari'ah ... .
The questioner : Yes, meaning read the Qur'an ... it was revealed, and I will not forget the text you bring, it is with me, I will bring you one like it, it is the same.
The Shaykh : The text I have, what is it?
The questioner
And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولًاThe Shaykh : I am telling you: where do you go with this verse? What must your answer be, that Allah said such and such? Or is your answer: the meaning of the verse, you are wrong in its meaning; its meaning is such and such? You have brought me a second verse, so you tell me: I have a third verse? It is disputing with the Qur'an, which is prohibited, my brother!! You want to tell me: the verse, you are mistaken in understanding it, and its correct meaning as I understand it - meaning you - is such and such, so the discussion revolves around the first verse, around the second verse, so either we end in agreement as ... - and praise be to Allah - ... or we differ; at that point we tell you: bring it so we can see the verse you have, will it help us to agree, I agree with you, but I answer you with a verse, you answer me with a hadith, I answer you with a second verse, you answer me with a second hadith ... it is exactly the prohibited disputing, so may Allah reward you; where do you go with the verse:
And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولًا
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