The author of the book "Al-Umdah fi I'dad al-'Udah" states that the 'illah (operative cause) in the leadership of travel and the leadership [of the group] are equal, and that this is explicitly stated in the text; so why is it prohibited?

The questioner : "Al-Umdah," O Shaykh, regarding his argument using the leadership of the group as an analogy for the leadership of travel.

The Shaykh : How?

The questioner : His argument; analogizing the leadership of the group to the leadership of travel.

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : He says that it is a valid analogy and the 'illah (operative cause) is shared. He says: The current issue is what is the 'illah (operative cause) in the leadership of travel? He says: The truth is that the 'illah (operative cause) is established by the text in the hadith itself, but it is derived.

The Shaykh : What is the 'illah (operative cause) explicitly stated in the hadith?

The questioner : The 'illah (operative cause) which is, at the end of his research, that the number is not ... .

The Shaykh : I ask you: What is the 'illah (operative cause) explicitly stated in the hadith, according to their claim?

The questioner : According to his claim, that the number is not ... .

The Shaykh : Tell me, tell me; where is the 'illah (operative cause) in the hadith?
Al-Halabi : .

The questioner In ... he will bring it now.

The Shaykh: No, I do not think so.
Yes.

The questioner : He says: He said: Due to the multiplicity of descriptions in the hadith upon which the ruling is based, it is necessary to determine which of these descriptions ... .