Reading from the discussion and commenting on his statement: "And with this it becomes clear that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) acknowledged the presence of a curtain in his house"

The Shaykh : His statement: "And with this it becomes clear that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) acknowledged the presence of a curtain in his house containing an image of a bird," this is incorrect; because he acknowledged it, meaning throughout the entire period, whereas he actually denied it; therefore, this is refuted by the hadith of Aisha, which, at least until now, he has not addressed by mentioning it.
What did I say?

The questioner : In the statement of al-Nawawi ... .

The Shaykh : Of course, and because of these hadiths and their like, some of the Salaf said: "It is only prohibited from what has a shadow; that is, what is three-dimensional, and there is no harm in images that do not have a shadow; and this is the hadith of the Qaram." This is clear and very strong wording from Imam al-Nawawi in his defense of the authentic hadith over the opinion, even if its source is a scholar from among the scholars of the Salaf, namely al-Qasim ibn Muhammad, al-Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr al-Siddiq. This is the position of Imam al-Nawawi in this school of jurisprudence, in that it is an invalid school. So what is the basis for al-Hafiz's criticism of al-Nawawi's statement that this school is invalid? It is as if he wants to say that Imam al-Nawawi was not being polite in his expression regarding the school of this Imam, who is al-Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn al-Siddiq, and who is one of the Seven Jurists, who are attested to for their knowledge, virtue, righteousness, and piety. So he should have been gentle and said, for example: "This is an error," and not exaggerate by saying: "This is invalid." This is all that Imam al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani wants.

The questioner : ... the Seven Jurists?
Yes?

The questioner : Who are the Seven Jurists?

Eid Abbasi : The rest of them.

The Shaykh : The rest of them, Ibn Abi Layla is the second, and I do not remember them now.

The questioner : From before the Four Imams.

Eid Abbasi: Of course.

The Shaykh : From all of the Tabi'un, so what does the author want from this expression? You see him quoting al-Nawawi's words in invalidating what he held, then he says: al-Hafiz criticized him. So if we look closely at al-Hafiz's criticism, it does not benefit the author with anything; therefore, what I fear most is that he understood from al-Hafiz's criticism of al-Nawawi's statement that he wants to invalidate al-Nawawi's statement from the very beginning, and that is not the case. Rather, he wants to draw attention to the fact that it would have been better for al-Nawawi not to exaggerate in refuting this school; because it is the school of an Imam from among the Imams of the Muslims, indeed from among the Seven Jurists. This position of Imam Ibn Hajar with al-Nawawi is most like, or close to, what people do today with the Salafis, when one of us says: "So-and-so the scholar made a mistake"; my brother, what is this phrase? "So-and-so made a mistake," meaning they object to this wording and that there is nothing wrong with it. "So-and-so made a mistake" means he is rewarded, but with one reward. No, say "he made a mistake" and he is rewarded with one reward, do not say: "He made a mistake," approximately this is it. So it is as if al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar also did not want Imam al-Nawawi to have this exaggeration in directness: "This is an invalid school." Say: "This is an error" and the problem is solved. But the author's comment suggests something that al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar does not want, in my belief.

Eid Abbasi : Perhaps the intention, Professor, is that al-Nawawi wants to say that it is not established from the Salaf, so Ibn Hajar pointed out that it is contrary to so-and-so.

The Shaykh : No, he says: "The school is invalid," he does not say: "The example is invalid."

Eid Abbasi : Meaning Ibn Hajar assumed this.