The discussion regarding the tape that took place between the Shaykh (may Allah have mercy on him) and Nasser al-'Umar concerning the issue of fiqh al-waqi' (jurisprudence of reality).

The Shaykh: O Jamal, a man called me two or three days ago. I think you know him. He is visually impaired and used to attend our lessons.

The questioner: Sa'id.

The Shaykh: Sa'id.

The questioner : The Shaykh : Sa'id.

The Shaykh: What is your opinion of this man? What is his path? What is his starting point? What is his methodology? Do you have any connection with him?

The questioner: We have a connection with him, but due to the location of his mosque, he is not close to us. However, we know nothing about him but good, O Shaykh, regarding his da'wah (calling to Islam).

The Shaykh: Do you know anything about him personally?

The questioner: No.

The Shaykh: Personally, you do not know him. The point is, he called me on the phone. It appears he came across my letter on fiqh al-waqi' (jurisprudence of reality), so he was pleased with it and praised it highly. May Allah reward him with good, and so on. He said, "But it has reached us that our brother al-'Umar does not publish the tape that was recorded with me here." So, do you have any news about this?

The questioner: By Allah, O our Shaykh, before we came, before we came, we did not obtain the tapes that contained your meeting withThe Shaykh : Nasser. Before we came, we asked about them, and they were not available.

The Shaykh: Okay, do you see him?

The questioner: Sa'id or Nasser?

The Shaykh: Nasser.

The questioner: I called him about two months ago.

The Shaykh: It does not concern me.

The questioner: No, we can see him.

The Shaykh: This is a deviation. Keep that in mind.

The questioner: We can see him, meaning we can see him through a call.

The Shaykh: Okay, I ask you to convey my greetings to him first, and my appreciation for his good listening and his fairness in much of what he heard. We hope that he will publish the tape himself.

The questioner: One tape or two tapes?

The Shaykh: I do not know. I do not remember these things unless this man called me and told me that this tape is the one he is refusing to publish. I do not want to say he is refusing, but this is what reached me. Because I have always said, and I will always say, that the only defect in news is its narrators. So, the point is, I hope that if it is possible for you to call him, if this news is true, he will refute it practically. Understood?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh: Okay, because publishing knowledge is the reason I wrote this letter, except that he believes this is the obligatory thing. And it means he admitted that in some issues, he had a viewpoint, and it became clear to him that what was more correct was different. So, this should also be published. This is better than someone else publishing it. Do you understand the point?

The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.

Another questioner: No, it means there was talk around the two tapes. These are the ones where he refused to record at all. So, you advised him not to record withAbu Layla : him. He proposed that it be a tape for him so that he could benefit from it. It was not the case until they were published, and so on. The talk is mixed. So, what is your opinion about this?

The Shaykh: I do not remember the details of what happened. You remember, andAbu Layla : likewiseAbu Layla : he says this condition was not in the first session, but rather it was in the last session.

The questioner: At the beginning, O Shaykh, when the talk started and he began to speak.

The Shaykh: Where? Where?

The questioner: Here, at your balcony. When the talk started, a little of its beginning, he said, "This talk should not be recorded because there is a discussion between you and him. Let us close this." He said,Abu Layla : "I will keep the tapes." He said to him, "I do not want you to keep the tapes. We need to benefit fromThe Shaykh : it." And it ended. He said, after the talk, meaning there was give and take, and you intervened. He said, "If he wants to record these tapes, they are for me for the benefit." He said to him, "For the benefit he mentioned,Abu Layla : that you benefit from these tapes, you review yourself, what you spoke that was not correct, and what you spokeThe Shaykh : that was correct, so that you benefit in making corrections to the book in the coming years and in the next edition. He said, "If the matter is like this, you will let the tapes be recorded for me, and I will take them so that I truly benefit from them. I will listen to them, what I benefit from, truly that the talkThe Shaykh : directed me in it. I will speak about it and correct it in the coming editions. And these tapes that he said should be, and we agreed on it, and he started recording. So, two tapes came out. These are the ones where this talk happened. As for the third and fourth tapes, the talk was in them, andAbu Layla : he was recording. So, based on this, and among the talk in them, that there are two specific tapes on the basis that he benefits from them in the talk between you and him, and the advice he advised him with, not for publication. So, based on this, the doctor, meaning Nasser al-'Umar, spoke about the issue of not publishing them. And the young men are insisting that I heard here some of the young men saying, "By Allah, publish them or do not publish them." This is what happened, meaning.

The Shaykh: By Allah, we must meet withAbu Layla : and hear his words along with your words.

The questioner: Excuse me, O our Shaykh, this morningAbu Layla : he said to Dr. Nasser al-'Umar and promised him that he would send him a copy, so he carried us to convey this to him. Until now, he has not sent him the copy.

The Shaykh: Who carried you?

The questioner: The doctorAbu Layla .

The Shaykh : Abu Layla .

The questioner: said, "Convey to himThe Shaykh : Nasser al-'Umar. Why did he not send a copy of the tapes he took as he promised me?"

The Shaykh: Ah, okay.

The questioner: This talk happened. He said to him, "I want from these tapes." He said to him, "I mean, I will listen to them." He said to him,Abu Layla : "That we will arrange the tapes and organize them, and so on. He said, "I will listen to them and send you a copy."

Another questioner: O our Shaykh, this is one thing.

The Shaykh: All right.

The questioner: The second, may Allah bless you, is that these tapes, we have not heard the words ofThe Shaykh : Nasser al-'Umar himself, but we heard the words of others, meaning that they say that these tapes contain the approval ofThe Shaykh : Nasser al-Din al-Albani for Shaykh Nasser al-'Umar regarding what is in his book, and even that he will print the book with a new introduction for you.

The Shaykh: Yes, I received a similar question. I received it from Saudi Arabia more than once.

The questioner: Much of this talk has happened.

The Shaykh: Therefore, publishing the tape has become a necessity.

The questioner : That is it.

The Shaykh: To prevent gossip.

The questioner: It is in the interest of Shaykh Nasser al-'Umar.

The Shaykh: Yes, definitely. No, this will honor him. In fact, it honors him because he was fair. And we rarely see people who have their social and scientific status, and have among some students, for example, or in some countries, we rarely find such fairness. So, if this is published, it will be an honor for him, and a virtue that he has satisfaction with his Lord - Blessed and Exalted is He - So, in any case, you have understood the point.

The questioner: He is in Makkah with us.

The Shaykh : Ah, good.

The questioner: We have been informed.

The Shaykh: So, greet him, and regarding the trip and the return, if you see him, do you see him?

The questioner: No, I have not seen him on the return.

The Shaykh: Until now, you have not seen him?

The questioner: Until now, I have not seen him. I do not know him, meaning.

The Shaykh : Good, if Allah wills.

The questioner: Al-Qarni is few.

The Shaykh: Good, if Allah wills. Greet everyone who asks. We do not tell you, but greet everyone you meet, hehe.

The questioner: Our Shaykh.

The Shaykh: Greet everyone who asks. Come on.