Is the ordering of the conditions in the hadith (When the night approaches from here...) a Prophetic ordering, or is it an ordering that was not intended?

The questioner : ... We mentioned regarding the setting of the sun, my Shaykh, the hadith which is: .

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : This ordering, my Shaykh, is a Prophetic ordering, and also a realistic ordering, let us say, or does it vary, sometimes like this and sometimes like that?

The Shaykh : It is a Prophetic ordering and a realistic ordering, as if you are trying to say whether it is necessary for the fasting person to break his fast that these four signs be present.

The questioner : Yes, Shaykh.

The Shaykh : You want this.

The questioner : Yes, this is what I want.

The Shaykh : No, this is not a condition in every case, meaning in every place; the situation may differ between this open area and this square, and being, for example, in a deep valley.
The student: Peace be upon you.

The Shaykh: Peace be upon you.

The questioner : If it is in a situation like ours, Shaykh.

The Shaykh : Meaning this meets the three conditions.

The questioner : It must be met, right? Shaykh, the meeting of conditions is according to what came in the hadith, and there is no precedence or no necessary connection between them.

The Shaykh : No, the necessary connection exists. I told you, in most areas, I only pointed to one area, and perhaps I mentioned it, a valley.

The questioner : The valley, yes.

The Shaykh : In a valley, the light of the sky that you see is narrow, so you cannot distinguish the approach of the night and the departure of the day.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : Meaning, in this case, the person must study the matter specifically, but when we say in a plain like this.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : The light of the west differs from the light of the east, so his saying (peace be upon him) is true here: ; meaning the three signs are present in this case and are necessary, so this is both religious and natural, but only in some narrow places, as we mentioned, this picture does not appear.

The questioner : Yes, well, Shaykh, now, if we rely on the last sign, which is the setting of the sun.

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : So many of our brothers, and this is a practical and known matter, I think among most of our brothers, they do not look at anything but the sign of the setting. Does this sign mean that the two signs before it have been realized, or is there no necessary connection either?

The Shaykh : I think the answer has preceded: in most places there is a necessary connection, in some narrow places there is no necessary connection.

The questioner : Like the valley, as you mentioned.

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : Yes, meaning it is possible, Shaykh, in the valley, the sun sets and the night and the day have not yet... what?

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : Have not been realized, so the person must verify in such a case.

The Shaykh : That is it.

The questioner : Yes, but in the plain, as is our current situation, Shaykh.

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : The setting of the sun will have preceded the approach of the night and the departure of the day.

The Shaykh : It has been associated with it, yes.

The questioner : Yes, yes.
The student : Look at how the color, this residential color on the left, oh Shaykh, here it is early...

The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The student : Look, how much time has passed? It has been five minutes.

The questioner : There are narrations about the sun, or is there only one narration?
The student : When the night approaches, the fasting person breaks his fast.
Another student: Of course, most of this is...

The questioner : ... Of course... Shaykh, the question is, some of the objectors say, "Oh brother, you cling to the Sunnah and the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and say so and so and so." So even, Shaykh, with the existence of the valley, I think this difference may be, meaning, it can be minutes.

The Shaykh : It is simple.

The questioner : It is simple.

The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.

The questioner : Meaning, a minute and a second will be realized from the setting of the sun.

The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.

The questioner : It is not as those people imagine, by Allah, they still need to verify... it takes a long time.
The student : Look, between the Valley of al-Nasr and... there are five minutes between al-Nasr and the Valley of al-Nasr, there are five minutes.
Another student: Between the mountain and the valley.
Another student: Ah, meaning the approach of the night appears from the area of al-Shafa, you feel the approach of the night in five minutes, and between al-Nasr and al-Hamlan there are three minutes.
Another student: Yes, by Allah, this is what we need... ah.
Another student: Oh Shaykh... a minute.
Another student: Yes.
Another student: ... and between al-Shaykh, I andThe Shaykh : On the phone we were andThe Shaykh : He told me it has set.
Another student: Abu 'Abdullah, I want to observe... the ones who are watching on.

The questioner : It is observed between, Shaykh, your house and my old house.

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : I think the observation is clear.

The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.

The questioner : Praise be to Allah, it is a dispensation, by Allah, if.

Another questioner : The Companions of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), both of them do not rise above goodness; one hastens the prayer and breaking the fast, and the other delays the prayer and breaking the fast... the same, Shaykh, the hadith, the Companion is, meaning, discussing with the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) that the Companions, if there is day upon you.

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : If there is day upon you, ah.

Another questioner : Now, for example, our Shaykh, it is possible at a certain elevation, and below that in elevation, and the sun... at that specific elevation, this does not affect the ruling.

The Shaykh: No.

The questioner : It does not affect it.

Another questioner : ... .