The Shaykh’s hadith on the issue of the follower’s saying “Ameen” and when it occurs, based on the hadith.
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The questioner: So this means that this is what agrees with the Sunnah!
The Shaykh: This, may Allah bless you, is not the subject of the discussion, because I always say to my brothers: any answer given to a question that forces the questioner to develop his question is not an answer. The question was not about whether it agrees with the angels or does not agree with the angels. The question was: Does the hadith explicitly state, without any doubt, that the follower should precede the imam in saying “Ameen”?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh: So what should the follower do? Should he not precede the imam in saying “Ameen”? You say regarding Zayd and Bakr that the *fa* indicates immediate succession or that it does not indicate immediate succession; that is not what concerns us. The hadith is very explicit. And as I told you: there is no difference between: and: . What is the difference? The follower’s *takbir* (saying Allahu Akbar) is not permissible to occur before the imam’s *takbir*. There is no doubt or ambiguity in this. Likewise, the follower’s saying “Ameen” is not permissible to occur before the imam’s saying “Ameen.” So you have now turned the topic to another angle, and this is not our discussion. And we will give an answer to what you raised regarding the agreement of the angels: The second question, which I hinted at earlier, will now come: Do the angels, who do not disobey Allah in what He commands them and do what they are commanded, follow the imam or contradict him? Why do you not speak?
The questioner: Of course, we want the answer from you, O Shaykh!
The Shaykh: The answer, heh, well, the answer from me is:[At-Tahrim 66:6] My brother, the answer is in the verse itself, which is about the angels.
The questioner: No, the answer is in the question itself, O our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : And what is it?
The questioner: The answer is in your own question.
The Shaykh : And what is it?
The questioner: Your question is divine.
The Shaykh: I know, and he explains?
The questioner: I say: meaning, when you responded to him, you said: Do you believe that the angels, who do not disobey Allah in what He commands them, say “Ameen” before the imam?
The Shaykh: Yes, but he says: We want to hear the answer from you. What is the answer?
The questioner: The answer, O our Shaykh, is within the question.
The Shaykh: This, may Allah bless you, is not the subject of the discussion, because I always say to my brothers: any answer given to a question that forces the questioner to develop his question is not an answer. The question was not about whether it agrees with the angels or does not agree with the angels. The question was: Does the hadith explicitly state, without any doubt, that the follower should precede the imam in saying “Ameen”?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh: So what should the follower do? Should he not precede the imam in saying “Ameen”? You say regarding Zayd and Bakr that the *fa* indicates immediate succession or that it does not indicate immediate succession; that is not what concerns us. The hadith is very explicit. And as I told you: there is no difference between:
When he says “Ameen,” you say “Ameen.”
إذا أمَّنَ فأمِّنواWhen he says Allahu Akbar, say Allahu Akbar
إذا كبَّر فكبِّرواThe questioner: Of course, we want the answer from you, O Shaykh!
The Shaykh: The answer, heh, well, the answer from me is:
they do not disobey Allah in what He commands them
لَا يَعْصُونَ اللَّهَ مَا أَمَرَهُمْThe questioner: No, the answer is in the question itself, O our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : And what is it?
The questioner: The answer is in your own question.
The Shaykh : And what is it?
The questioner: Your question is divine.
The Shaykh: I know, and he explains?
The questioner: I say: meaning, when you responded to him, you said: Do you believe that the angels, who do not disobey Allah in what He commands them, say “Ameen” before the imam?
The Shaykh: Yes, but he says: We want to hear the answer from you. What is the answer?
The questioner: The answer, O our Shaykh, is within the question.
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