Is using carbonated beverages, if they contain alcohol, assistance in the use of alcohol? And when does wine become permissible vinegar?

The questioner : Regarding the previous question you asked about carbonated beverages: if wine turns into vinegar, it is permissible. I read in *Nail al-Authar* by al-Shawkani that the majority of scholars hold that wine remains forbidden even if it has turned into vinegar; this is due to the hadith of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him): . Also, as mentioned in *Sahih Muslim*, when Abu Talhah (may Allah be pleased with him) asked the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) about having wine belonging to orphans, and whether he should turn it into vinegar, he said: . Also, a man came, as mentioned in *Nail al-Authar*, where al-Shawkani relates that a man came to Ibn Abbas asking him, saying: "I have a drink; should I drink it?" meaning it had been kept for such and such days. He said to him: "Drink it, as long as it is not intoxicating." The man said: "I find something in myself" — meaning he felt some effect from it. He said to him: "So, what about lighting a fire on it?" The man said: "Before that, if you had drunk it before lighting the fire on it, would you have drunk it? If you had, before lighting the fire on it, would you have drunk it? Would you have drunk it?" He said: "No." He said: "Then fire does not purify what Allah has forbidden, or does not make permissible what Allah has forbidden; indeed, fire does not make permissible what Allah has forbidden."
And the saying of Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He): . So, if we drink these carbonated beverages, and the owner or the owners of the factory must necessarily include intoxicating ingredients; this is a wrong. So, if we cooperate and use them, we are assisting them in continuing in this work. If we refrain from them as Muslims, thereby we would be forbidding them. So I do not know what is the sayingThe Shaykh : in this issue?

The Shaykh : Your last statement is accepted with a slight detail, and this is what we always say in our lectures and in some of our books. Your last statement, which ends with the saying that if it is established that these beverages contain some alcohol, and we mentioned that it is not permissible for a Muslim to pour forbidden wine into any of the permissible beverages, so what you said is correct: that if we permit drinking, using, buying, and selling them, we would be cooperating with the manufacturers. This is a correct point.
And I say this even regarding medicines where it is explicitly stated that they contain a certain percentage of alcohol. But I distinguish between a medicine we manufacture in our lands, which is not permissible. The ruling, as we said about beverages, is that it is not permissible to manufacture or use it because of the cooperation in wrong, as I said; this is correct. But if the manufacturers of these beverages or those medicines in which alcohol is established are non-Muslims and they come to us ready-made, then it is permissible for us to use them, because we are not assisting a Muslim in wrong. This is a correct statement. However, attention must be drawn to what came in the midst of your speech that makes me feel — at least me — that there was no distinction in your speech between vinegar that was originally wine and turned into vinegar naturally, and wine that was converted by the hand of a Muslim. The hadiths you mentioned, including the hadith of Abu Talhah al-Ansari, who had orphans and was trading wine for them; when wine was forbidden, he came to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and said: "I have a skin of wine; should I turn it into vinegar?" He said: ; meaning pour it on the ground. So there is no doubt that converting wine into vinegar is forbidden and not permissible, because that necessitates that there be forbidden wine in the home of a Muslim. But if there is vinegar whose origin was wine and this wine turned into vinegar, it is not said that it is not permissible, because it was not wine intended to be converted into vinegar.
In summary: it is necessary to distinguish between vinegar whose original wine turned into vinegar due to atmospheric or natural factors — as they say — and vinegar whose origin was wine and its owner intended to convert it into vinegar; this is not permissible.
Please proceed.