Is it permissible in Islam for there to be groups and parties, with each group having an imam?
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The Shaykh : The research, Professor, pay attention.
The student: Go ahead.
The Shaykh : The research has two branches: research concerning individuals and research concerning groups. Do you understand me or not?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : The research has two branches: a branch concerning individuals and a branch concerning groups. In Islam, individuals are scattered throughout the world until the Hour occurs. Good, they are upon the truth. Good, these are the hadiths. I told you no... but as a reminder that we do not need... because we have classified them and published them in the worldSahih Muslim 1923 and we explained them, and there is no sentence we did not explain, and we said these are the people of hadith. So the research is only after the topic has been classified in the minds of the Muslims. This is what they need. So the topic has two branches: a branch concerning individuals and a branch concerning groups. The branch concerning individuals: certainly, throughout all the Islamic eras until the Hour occurs, there are individuals guided by their Lord.
The Shaykh : You are done with this.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : We come to the second branch. The second branch: is it correct that there be groups and imams among the Muslims, or is it not correct? The research here now: do you feel that we need you to come and remind me of the hadith:.
The questioner : I will answer you, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : I understood you...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : What...?
The questioner : You... you asked if it is permissible for there to be nations...
The Shaykh : No, no, no. Finally, what did I tell you?
The questioner : Repeat it to me.
The Shaykh : This is the problem.
The questioner : No problem.
The Shaykh : No harm, no harm, my brother, but our purpose is that we remind one another.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : Do not let your emotions carry you away and throw out what is in your minds. By the way, I am asking you now after I have detailed for you that the topic has two branches: a branch related to individuals and a branch related to groups. The branch related to individuals: I said that the individuals holding fast to the truth will continue until the Day of Judgment, as in the authentic hadith. The second branch, which is related to groups: I am asking now, so pay attention to the question... The answer is true or false.
The student : If Allah wills.
The Shaykh : The branch related to groups: is it permissible in Islam for there to be groups and parties, with each group having an imam? Is it permissible, Islamically, for this to be?
The student : ... .
Another student: It is not permissible, it is not permissible. No, it is not permissible. I will answer it for you.
The Shaykh : Why are you overstepping, my brother?
The questioner : ... We need to save time, Professor.
The Shaykh : No, no. Save time when you are talking about matters you were not asked about. Do not save time by answering on behalf of others. It is possible he has a different answer. It is possible you are teaching him. Why? Why do you put yourself in the position of one who is recorded by the hadith scholars as one who taught others, so they would learn from him? This is not permissible. Yes.
The student : The answer, I mean, just let me speak at my own pace, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : Take your time.
The questioner: All right.
The Shaykh : Look at the time.
The questioner : No, no, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : It is now five past the half hour.
The questioner : ... If Allah wills, I mean.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : I mean, generally, it is not permissible. Of course, Your Eminence, when you come... we said it is not permissible, but the reality.
The Shaykh : Excuse me, what is not permissible?
The questioner : That there be divided groups and parties among the Muslims. But in order to clarify the issue.
The Shaykh : I have not finished yet.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : I have not finished. I said groups and imams.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : I said a group and an imam. You did not mention this.
The questioner : Groups and imams.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner : This is not permissible. But in reality, if all these groups are upon the truth, then they are all one group, by the evidence of a hadith I do not remember and do not know...
The Shaykh: May Allah guide you.
The student : Hehehe.
The student : What does it mean?
The student : What does it mean?
The Shaykh : You are saying now that the sun is up and eclipsed. You are saying now that it is not the same as the sun being up and eclipsed, is it? You are saying it is not permissible Islamically for there to be groups, and for each group to have an imam, but all of them are upon the truth.
The student : I mean, I am saying there is a group in India, and a group in Egypt, and both are upon the truth, so they are one group. That was not my intention, and praise be to Allah, I have nothing else.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you.
The student : Whoever is upon the truth is one group.
The student: Go ahead.
The Shaykh : The research has two branches: research concerning individuals and research concerning groups. Do you understand me or not?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : The research has two branches: a branch concerning individuals and a branch concerning groups. In Islam, individuals are scattered throughout the world until the Hour occurs. Good, they are upon the truth. Good, these are the hadiths. I told you no... but as a reminder that we do not need... because we have classified them and published them in the world
A group of people from my Umma
لا تزال طائفة من أمتيThe Shaykh : You are done with this.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : We come to the second branch. The second branch: is it correct that there be groups and imams among the Muslims, or is it not correct? The research here now: do you feel that we need you to come and remind me of the hadith:
A group
لا تزال طائفةThe questioner : I will answer you, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : I understood you...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : What...?
The questioner : You... you asked if it is permissible for there to be nations...
The Shaykh : No, no, no. Finally, what did I tell you?
The questioner : Repeat it to me.
The Shaykh : This is the problem.
The questioner : No problem.
The Shaykh : No harm, no harm, my brother, but our purpose is that we remind one another.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : Do not let your emotions carry you away and throw out what is in your minds. By the way, I am asking you now after I have detailed for you that the topic has two branches: a branch related to individuals and a branch related to groups. The branch related to individuals: I said that the individuals holding fast to the truth will continue until the Day of Judgment, as in the authentic hadith. The second branch, which is related to groups: I am asking now, so pay attention to the question... The answer is true or false.
The student : If Allah wills.
The Shaykh : The branch related to groups: is it permissible in Islam for there to be groups and parties, with each group having an imam? Is it permissible, Islamically, for this to be?
The student : ... .
Another student: It is not permissible, it is not permissible. No, it is not permissible. I will answer it for you.
The Shaykh : Why are you overstepping, my brother?
The questioner : ... We need to save time, Professor.
The Shaykh : No, no. Save time when you are talking about matters you were not asked about. Do not save time by answering on behalf of others. It is possible he has a different answer. It is possible you are teaching him. Why? Why do you put yourself in the position of one who is recorded by the hadith scholars as one who taught others, so they would learn from him? This is not permissible. Yes.
The student : The answer, I mean, just let me speak at my own pace, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : Take your time.
The questioner: All right.
The Shaykh : Look at the time.
The questioner : No, no, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : It is now five past the half hour.
The questioner : ... If Allah wills, I mean.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : I mean, generally, it is not permissible. Of course, Your Eminence, when you come... we said it is not permissible, but the reality.
The Shaykh : Excuse me, what is not permissible?
The questioner : That there be divided groups and parties among the Muslims. But in order to clarify the issue.
The Shaykh : I have not finished yet.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : I have not finished. I said groups and imams.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : I said a group and an imam. You did not mention this.
The questioner : Groups and imams.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner : This is not permissible. But in reality, if all these groups are upon the truth, then they are all one group, by the evidence of a hadith I do not remember and do not know...
The Shaykh: May Allah guide you.
The student : Hehehe.
The student : What does it mean?
The student : What does it mean?
The Shaykh : You are saying now that the sun is up and eclipsed. You are saying now that it is not the same as the sun being up and eclipsed, is it? You are saying it is not permissible Islamically for there to be groups, and for each group to have an imam, but all of them are upon the truth.
The student : I mean, I am saying there is a group in India, and a group in Egypt, and both are upon the truth, so they are one group. That was not my intention, and praise be to Allah, I have nothing else.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you.
The student : Whoever is upon the truth is one group.
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