Are the Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) parents among the people of the period of ignorance, and likewise the polytheists before him?
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The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner :Sahih Muslim 203 ... .
The Shaykh : What you say is full of doubt, indeed it contains all doubt. Your statement that the Prophet's father was among the people of the period of ignorance is incorrect. Where do we get the idea that he was among the people of the period of ignorance?
The questioner : Because there was no prophet in his time.
The Shaykh : Like our case, is there a prophet in our time?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Would it be?
The questioner : ... a message
The Shaykh : ... they have a message. This is a common error: that the polytheists who were before the Messenger (peace be upon him) are the people of the period of ignorance. It is a mistake. The call of Isma'il reached them... They were circumambulating in the time of the Messenger, both before the prophethood and after the prophethood.
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Yes
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Either the person or the person's call. And therefore I told you, and I am mentioning what I say, meaning like our case: we do not have a prophet, but his call came?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : The argument has been established against us. Europe says the call did not reach them, right? The call did not reach them, so they are people of the period of ignorance. But we cannot say today that it reached them or did not reach them... Without a doubt, some of these disbelieving Orientalists certainly had the call reach them. Perhaps in some countries and some villages the call reached them, but we do not know if the call reached them or not... What is the benefit? Here in the legal ruling, whoever the call reached, the argument has been established against him. Whoever the call did not reach is among the people of the period of ignorance. Now, those who were before the sending of the Messenger (peace be upon him), including his two parents, we should have said, as we say about the people of Europe, that we do not say the call reached them or did not reach them. But we found hadiths that inform us that those who died before the sending of the Messenger (peace be upon him) are among the people of the Fire. So we inferred from that that they are not people of the period of ignorance, because if they were people of the period of ignorance, they would not be among the people of the Fire. Therefore, for example, the Messenger (peace be upon him) passed by one day while on his mule, and it shied... Then he saw two graves and asked about them, and they said they died in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance, yet they are being punished. The mule shied because it heard the punishment of the buried ones, because previously he (may the prayer and peace of Allah be upon him) said And what indicates that, related to the same question, is that he (may the prayer and peace of Allah be upon him) said That is because Allah says [At-Tawbah 9:114] So seeking forgiveness for polytheists is not permissible unless one does not think that he is among the polytheists. So the Messenger sought permission from his Lord to seek forgiveness for his mother by asking his Lord to seek forgiveness, to visit his mother's grave, so He permitted him. And I sought His permission to seek forgiveness for her, but He did not permit me. So this is proof that she is not among those for whom forgiveness is granted. But this is not related to this. The hadith you asked about is proof that the call reached her... The people of the Fire are judged by what does not speak from caprice; it is nothing but a revelation that is revealed. Proof that the call reached her, so...
The questioner : Your Eminence, the Shaykh...
The Shaykh : How? How?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ...[Al-Isra 17:15] Not a disbeliever who declares them disbelievers and... disbelief
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Did the call of the truth reach them?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : What does "we were not to be punished" mean? How are you understanding the verse? What does[Al-Isra 17:15] mean? What does [Al-Isra 17:15] mean... I have one question I am asking you out of dozens that you do not answer me on. What does [Al-Isra 17:15] mean? If you know what the meaning is, say it. If you do not know what the meaning is, ask about it.
The questioner : Okay, there are religions...
The Shaykh : This discussion is not acceptable, my brother.
The questioner : I want you to listen to me... religions.
The Shaykh : What do you think? I will tell you: their existence is not always an argument. What do you think if a great scholar is not... he reads the Qur'an and the Sunnah... did the call reach them?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : His call. If no messenger came and no messenger's call came, then I do not punish him for His justice, wisdom, and the majesty of His greatness... My call did not reach him... You are working with your mind. Why would it be... there is no need
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : If the matter were as you say, there would be no need to send messengers and send down books, as long as the intellect is sufficient... Is a sane person or a madman obligated? Is a madman obligated?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : I am asking you a question: Is a madman obligated?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : How... halal and haram without Allah saying this is halal and this is haram? You did not answer me.
The questioner : Because the intellect...
The Shaykh : You did not answer me.
The questioner :
my father and your father are in the Fire
أبي و أباك في النارThe Shaykh : What you say is full of doubt, indeed it contains all doubt. Your statement that the Prophet's father was among the people of the period of ignorance is incorrect. Where do we get the idea that he was among the people of the period of ignorance?
The questioner : Because there was no prophet in his time.
The Shaykh : Like our case, is there a prophet in our time?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Would it be?
The questioner : ... a message
The Shaykh : ... they have a message. This is a common error: that the polytheists who were before the Messenger (peace be upon him) are the people of the period of ignorance. It is a mistake. The call of Isma'il reached them... They were circumambulating in the time of the Messenger, both before the prophethood and after the prophethood.
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Yes
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Either the person or the person's call. And therefore I told you, and I am mentioning what I say, meaning like our case: we do not have a prophet, but his call came?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : The argument has been established against us. Europe says the call did not reach them, right? The call did not reach them, so they are people of the period of ignorance. But we cannot say today that it reached them or did not reach them... Without a doubt, some of these disbelieving Orientalists certainly had the call reach them. Perhaps in some countries and some villages the call reached them, but we do not know if the call reached them or not... What is the benefit? Here in the legal ruling, whoever the call reached, the argument has been established against him. Whoever the call did not reach is among the people of the period of ignorance. Now, those who were before the sending of the Messenger (peace be upon him), including his two parents, we should have said, as we say about the people of Europe, that we do not say the call reached them or did not reach them. But we found hadiths that inform us that those who died before the sending of the Messenger (peace be upon him) are among the people of the Fire. So we inferred from that that they are not people of the period of ignorance, because if they were people of the period of ignorance, they would not be among the people of the Fire. Therefore, for example, the Messenger (peace be upon him) passed by one day while on his mule, and it shied... Then he saw two graves and asked about them, and they said they died in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance, yet they are being punished. The mule shied because it heard the punishment of the buried ones, because previously he (may the prayer and peace of Allah be upon him) said
Were it not that you bury one another - and in a narration - were it not that you do not bury one another, I would have let you hear what I heard of the punishment of the grave
لولا أن تدافنوا -وفي رواية- لولا أن لا تدافنوا لأسمعتكم ما سمعت من عذاب القبرI sought permission from my Lord to visit my mother's grave, so He permitted me. Then I sought permission to seek forgiveness for her, but He did not permit me
إني استأذنت ربي إلى أن أزور قبر أمي فأذن لي فاستأذنت على أن أستغر لها فلم يؤذن ليAnd the request of forgiveness of Abraham for his father was only because of a promise he had made to him. But when it became apparent to Abraham that his father was an enemy to Allah, he disassociated himself from him
و ما كان استغفار إبراهيم لأبيه إلا عن موعدة وعدها فلما تبين له أنه عدو لله تبرأ منهThe questioner : Your Eminence, the Shaykh...
The Shaykh : How? How?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ...
And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
و ما كنّا معذّبين حتى نبعث رسولاThe questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Did the call of the truth reach them?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : What does "we were not to be punished" mean? How are you understanding the verse? What does
And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
و ما كنا معذبين حتى نبعث رسولاAnd never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
و ما كنا معذبين حتى نبعث رسولاAnd never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
و ما كنا معذبين حتى نبعث رسولاThe questioner : Okay, there are religions...
The Shaykh : This discussion is not acceptable, my brother.
The questioner : I want you to listen to me... religions.
The Shaykh : What do you think? I will tell you: their existence is not always an argument. What do you think if a great scholar is not... he reads the Qur'an and the Sunnah... did the call reach them?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : His call. If no messenger came and no messenger's call came, then I do not punish him for His justice, wisdom, and the majesty of His greatness... My call did not reach him... You are working with your mind. Why would it be... there is no need
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : If the matter were as you say, there would be no need to send messengers and send down books, as long as the intellect is sufficient... Is a sane person or a madman obligated? Is a madman obligated?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : I am asking you a question: Is a madman obligated?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : How... halal and haram without Allah saying this is halal and this is haram? You did not answer me.
The questioner : Because the intellect...
The Shaykh : You did not answer me.