Does one who manipulates himself until his fluid comes out and he places it in a container for the process of in-vitro fertilization break his fast in Ramadan?
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The questioner : In the month of Ramadan, we are going to take from people, or they will extract a seminal fluid from us. What is the ruling in Islam regarding this while they are fasting? Does the man break his fast, I mean?
The Shaykh : The man, and he is fasting?
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Will he be forced to manipulate himself
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : until he puts the fluid in a special container and the doctor receives it? Of course, the question I understand from you is whether he breaks his fast or not. The answer is that this does not break the fast, but it should be accompanied, at least, by this question, or preceded by it: Is this action permissible?
The questioner : I do not know.
The Shaykh : I know that you do not know, but you need to say that the first question is this. The answer is that the matter is related to what is called today the secret habit, which is masturbation. And the secret habit is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically. So we need to imagine now that this thing is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically, namely masturbation. I wanted to say in the topic that there might be a dire necessity, or not. But I will retract. I will tell you before I proceed with the topic: I said earlier that masturbation is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically. Do you know this?
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Do you know that masturbation is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically?
The questioner : It is true that it is forbidden, but why?
Another questioner: Medically, do you know that it is forbidden?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Do you not know?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : That is strange.
The questioner : As a proof, they ... .
The Shaykh : This is what I was starting to say, that it might be permissible if there is a dire necessity, and dire necessities permit what is prohibited. At least, the necessity as some people imagine it, which is what we were going to talk about at that time. But I reconsidered the matter and said, before I delve into it, let us see what our brother has, meaning regarding the issue. So, at least from the medical side, you do not know that the secret habit is medically forbidden, meaning medically harmful. You do not know this?
The questioner : No, we know, of course, that it is medically harmful.
The Shaykh : So then? How did you say earlier ... .
The questioner : I mean ... one takes a sample from him.
The Shaykh : This is not what I am looking into. I am looking into the principle, the rule: What is the ruling on masturbation? We say that masturbation is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically. By the Shari'ah, because we have evidence, some of which we may mention. Medically, because it has been proven by experience that masturbation harms its practitioners severely, to the point that some of them sometimes no longer become fit for marriage. Do you know this?
The questioner : Of course.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : ... from a medical perspective, that the one who uses the secret habit ... .
The questioner : Is harmed.
The Shaykh : Is harmed, and the harm reaches some of them sometimes to the point that they are not fit for marriage. So we do not need to discuss with you from the medical side, because you are convinced of it.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : This side, the Shari'ah side. Our Lord says:[Al-Mu'minun 23:5-7] Just as Imam al-Shafi'i (may Allah have mercy on him) says: "Whoever seeks a means to satisfy his desire other than the means of marriage and concubinage, those are the transgressors, meaning the wrongdoers." Marriage is known. Do you know concubinage?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Concubinage, if Allah wills, we will see it in our days when there is jihad, O Abu Faris.
Another questioner: May Allah grant it.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills, hehehe.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Hehehe. If there is no Islamic war between the Muslims and the disbelievers, the captives who fall into the hands of the Muslims, men and women, there is a detailed ruling here that we do not have now. Captives will be with the Muslims, and the captives will become slaves. The commander of the army distributes them among the army. This one comes out as a man to be employed as a servant, a slave servant with no wage. This one comes out as a woman, and he enjoys her without a contract, without anything. But if she is not a virgin, what must he do? He must ensure her purity, meaning he must make sure she is not pregnant. And if she is a virgin, welcome, that is better and more beautiful, hehe. The point is, what is this called? Concubinage. So whoever seeks to satisfy desire without marriage and concubinage, those are the wrongdoers, the unjust. If we know this fact that masturbation is forbidden because it harms health, we return now and say: This fasting Muslim who wants to go to the doctor and manipulate himself and masturbate, this is not permissible, neither by the Shari'ah nor medically. But it might be said here that there is a dire necessity. We ask now: Why does this man, or another, manipulate himself and his fluid is taken from him?
The questioner : Sometimes ... with a sample from him, without testing the motility of the sperm, medical things. We have the right to give him a normal report, and on this basis ... treatment.
The Shaykh : You did not give me an answer. I did not ask you what you do. I am asking why this fluid is extracted from him?
The questioner : We are looking for ... .
Another questioner: I mean, he has a disease.
The questioner : Yes, of course, he has a disease ... .
The Shaykh : He is, for example, sterile.
The questioner : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : We say, for example, sterile. So we need to see that the sterility is from him, not from his wife.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Correct?
The questioner : Correct.
The Shaykh : We saw the man's fluid, it did not come out sterile. Will it be the woman's turn?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, how do we test the woman then?
The questioner : Of course, a normal test.
The Shaykh : An examination, I mean?
The questioner : An examination.
The Shaykh : I mean ... forbidden.
The questioner : Forbidden.
The Shaykh : Okay, we return and say: In one of the cases, the man's fluid was tested and it turned out that he is sterile. So perhaps he can be treated or not, according to the doctor's report. The question now: A couple married, and may Allah will, years have passed, and they were not given a child. Is there a dire necessity that permits him to masturbate? The question, of course, the answer is not from you, but from me. I will say: This is not a dire necessity. If it were possible to say to this man who thinks he is sterile, "Take two or three of a certain type," we would take them, because there is no ... for committing a violation of the Shari'ah. But no, by Allah, the matter requires that he do this and that, and then that may not be sufficient. The matter moves to testing the wife, and this is what happens today. This is an impermissible action. This is my answer to what you asked and what you did not ask. Correct?
Another questioner: For example, we ask the brother: What if this semen was collected at home?
The Shaykh : What did he do?
Another questioner: At home, he took the tube to the house and had intercourse with his wife, instead of ejaculating in the vagina, he ejaculated into this tube ... this test.
The Shaykh : Yes.
Another questioner: Medically, they conflict, and by the Shari'ah, they conflict? Is there a problem?
The Shaykh : No. But I do not think this will succeed.
The questioner : It will succeed, O our Shaykh ... .
The Shaykh : I think they need it fresh.
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Give them news, let them prepare ... .
The Shaykh : The man, and he is fasting?
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Will he be forced to manipulate himself
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : until he puts the fluid in a special container and the doctor receives it? Of course, the question I understand from you is whether he breaks his fast or not. The answer is that this does not break the fast, but it should be accompanied, at least, by this question, or preceded by it: Is this action permissible?
The questioner : I do not know.
The Shaykh : I know that you do not know, but you need to say that the first question is this. The answer is that the matter is related to what is called today the secret habit, which is masturbation. And the secret habit is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically. So we need to imagine now that this thing is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically, namely masturbation. I wanted to say in the topic that there might be a dire necessity, or not. But I will retract. I will tell you before I proceed with the topic: I said earlier that masturbation is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically. Do you know this?
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Do you know that masturbation is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically?
The questioner : It is true that it is forbidden, but why?
Another questioner: Medically, do you know that it is forbidden?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Do you not know?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : That is strange.
The questioner : As a proof, they ... .
The Shaykh : This is what I was starting to say, that it might be permissible if there is a dire necessity, and dire necessities permit what is prohibited. At least, the necessity as some people imagine it, which is what we were going to talk about at that time. But I reconsidered the matter and said, before I delve into it, let us see what our brother has, meaning regarding the issue. So, at least from the medical side, you do not know that the secret habit is medically forbidden, meaning medically harmful. You do not know this?
The questioner : No, we know, of course, that it is medically harmful.
The Shaykh : So then? How did you say earlier ... .
The questioner : I mean ... one takes a sample from him.
The Shaykh : This is not what I am looking into. I am looking into the principle, the rule: What is the ruling on masturbation? We say that masturbation is forbidden by the Shari'ah and medically. By the Shari'ah, because we have evidence, some of which we may mention. Medically, because it has been proven by experience that masturbation harms its practitioners severely, to the point that some of them sometimes no longer become fit for marriage. Do you know this?
The questioner : Of course.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : ... from a medical perspective, that the one who uses the secret habit ... .
The questioner : Is harmed.
The Shaykh : Is harmed, and the harm reaches some of them sometimes to the point that they are not fit for marriage. So we do not need to discuss with you from the medical side, because you are convinced of it.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : This side, the Shari'ah side. Our Lord says:
(5) And they who guard their private parts (6) Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed - (7) But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors -
و الذين هم لفروجهم حافظون إلا على أزواجهم أو ما ملكت أيمانهم فإنهم غير ملومين فمن ابتغى وراء ذلك فأولئك هم العادونThe questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Concubinage, if Allah wills, we will see it in our days when there is jihad, O Abu Faris.
Another questioner: May Allah grant it.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills, hehehe.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Hehehe. If there is no Islamic war between the Muslims and the disbelievers, the captives who fall into the hands of the Muslims, men and women, there is a detailed ruling here that we do not have now. Captives will be with the Muslims, and the captives will become slaves. The commander of the army distributes them among the army. This one comes out as a man to be employed as a servant, a slave servant with no wage. This one comes out as a woman, and he enjoys her without a contract, without anything. But if she is not a virgin, what must he do? He must ensure her purity, meaning he must make sure she is not pregnant. And if she is a virgin, welcome, that is better and more beautiful, hehe. The point is, what is this called? Concubinage. So whoever seeks to satisfy desire without marriage and concubinage, those are the wrongdoers, the unjust. If we know this fact that masturbation is forbidden because it harms health, we return now and say: This fasting Muslim who wants to go to the doctor and manipulate himself and masturbate, this is not permissible, neither by the Shari'ah nor medically. But it might be said here that there is a dire necessity. We ask now: Why does this man, or another, manipulate himself and his fluid is taken from him?
The questioner : Sometimes ... with a sample from him, without testing the motility of the sperm, medical things. We have the right to give him a normal report, and on this basis ... treatment.
The Shaykh : You did not give me an answer. I did not ask you what you do. I am asking why this fluid is extracted from him?
The questioner : We are looking for ... .
Another questioner: I mean, he has a disease.
The questioner : Yes, of course, he has a disease ... .
The Shaykh : He is, for example, sterile.
The questioner : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : We say, for example, sterile. So we need to see that the sterility is from him, not from his wife.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Correct?
The questioner : Correct.
The Shaykh : We saw the man's fluid, it did not come out sterile. Will it be the woman's turn?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, how do we test the woman then?
The questioner : Of course, a normal test.
The Shaykh : An examination, I mean?
The questioner : An examination.
The Shaykh : I mean ... forbidden.
The questioner : Forbidden.
The Shaykh : Okay, we return and say: In one of the cases, the man's fluid was tested and it turned out that he is sterile. So perhaps he can be treated or not, according to the doctor's report. The question now: A couple married, and may Allah will, years have passed, and they were not given a child. Is there a dire necessity that permits him to masturbate? The question, of course, the answer is not from you, but from me. I will say: This is not a dire necessity. If it were possible to say to this man who thinks he is sterile, "Take two or three of a certain type," we would take them, because there is no ... for committing a violation of the Shari'ah. But no, by Allah, the matter requires that he do this and that, and then that may not be sufficient. The matter moves to testing the wife, and this is what happens today. This is an impermissible action. This is my answer to what you asked and what you did not ask. Correct?
Another questioner: For example, we ask the brother: What if this semen was collected at home?
The Shaykh : What did he do?
Another questioner: At home, he took the tube to the house and had intercourse with his wife, instead of ejaculating in the vagina, he ejaculated into this tube ... this test.
The Shaykh : Yes.
Another questioner: Medically, they conflict, and by the Shari'ah, they conflict? Is there a problem?
The Shaykh : No. But I do not think this will succeed.
The questioner : It will succeed, O our Shaykh ... .
The Shaykh : I think they need it fresh.
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Give them news, let them prepare ... .