Is it permissible to curse women who display their adornment? And is it obligatory as stated in the hadith?
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Abu Layli: Regarding the curse, O Shaykh, now, whenever we see, of course, women who are clothed yet naked, can we curse them, or is it not permissible?
The Shaykh : If the Sufi dhikr were prescribed, and it is "Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah," you would say no.
Abu Layli: No.
The Shaykh : I did not understand me... We reject the Sufi dhikr that they call the dhikr with the singular name, which is "Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah"... and so on. If it were prescribed, we would reject it from them.
Abu Layli: No. Of course.
The Shaykh : Well, if a prescribed dhikr comes in the form of "May the curse of Allah be upon you, may the curse of Allah be upon you, may the curse of Allah be upon you," do we reject it?
Abu Layli: No.
The Shaykh : This, if it were continuous like the Sufi dhikr, what about when you see a woman displaying her adornment from time to time and you say to her "May the curse of Allah be upon you," without repetition and without any issue?
Abu Layli: Sometimes it is permissible to draw attention, so you turn your face to another place and you curse her.
The Shaykh : O man, it seems your question is not clear. Do you mean is it permissible to curse her so that she hears it, or so that she does not hear it?
Abu Layli: No, she does not hear it.
The Shaykh : Well, if so, what do you want? Say "Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah, may the curse of Allah be upon you, may the curse of Allah be upon you."
Another questioner : In the same topic, the hadith contains the form of the command: "So curse them." Does this indicate obligation?
The Shaykh : Of course, it indicates obligation But... here a rule applies, which is that if the command is for prohibition, it does not indicate obligation. And cursing, as a rule, is prohibited So as long as the original ruling regarding cursing is prohibition, and then the command for it comes in a certain place, that means it does not indicate obligation, but rather permissibility, and let it be so.
The questioner : Meaning, this is not required in the hadith.
The Shaykh : No, this is taken from the generality of the texts.
The Shaykh : So "curse them" is not for obligation, but for permissibility and for discipline, unfortunately. As for disciplining the cursed person directly, if it is possible to make him hear it, or disciplining oneself to be on guard from falling into it with oneself, with one's family, in such a case.
The questioner : Meaning, it is possible to make her hear it...
The Shaykh : I told you, this is possible in an Islamic society, but our societies today, it is not possible.
The questioner : Meaning, we do not make her hear the curse.
The Shaykh : If you want to imagine a picture that pleases you, if you are walking in the desert and you see a woman displaying her adornment and you are wearing a mask, you say to her "May the curse of Allah be upon you," and you are not known for who you are
The questioner : Sometimes we are riding in a car and she is walking on the ground, so we curse her and we drive on.
The questioner : This is cowardice
The Shaykh : It is possible, and it may lead to something, so you take the car number, for example...
The Shaykh : If the Sufi dhikr were prescribed, and it is "Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah," you would say no.
Abu Layli: No.
The Shaykh : I did not understand me... We reject the Sufi dhikr that they call the dhikr with the singular name, which is "Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah"... and so on. If it were prescribed, we would reject it from them.
Abu Layli: No. Of course.
The Shaykh : Well, if a prescribed dhikr comes in the form of "May the curse of Allah be upon you, may the curse of Allah be upon you, may the curse of Allah be upon you," do we reject it?
Abu Layli: No.
The Shaykh : This, if it were continuous like the Sufi dhikr, what about when you see a woman displaying her adornment from time to time and you say to her "May the curse of Allah be upon you," without repetition and without any issue?
Abu Layli: Sometimes it is permissible to draw attention, so you turn your face to another place and you curse her.
The Shaykh : O man, it seems your question is not clear. Do you mean is it permissible to curse her so that she hears it, or so that she does not hear it?
Abu Layli: No, she does not hear it.
The Shaykh : Well, if so, what do you want? Say "Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah, may the curse of Allah be upon you, may the curse of Allah be upon you."
Another questioner : In the same topic, the hadith contains the form of the command: "So curse them." Does this indicate obligation?
The Shaykh : Of course, it indicates obligation
So curse them, for they are cursed.
فالعنوهن فإنهن ملعوناتDo not be cursers, for the cursers will not be witnesses on the Day of Resurrection.
لا تكونوا لعانين ، فاللعانون لا يكون شهداء يوم القيامةThe questioner : Meaning, this is not required in the hadith.
The Shaykh : No, this is taken from the generality of the texts.
The Shaykh : So "curse them" is not for obligation, but for permissibility and for discipline, unfortunately. As for disciplining the cursed person directly, if it is possible to make him hear it, or disciplining oneself to be on guard from falling into it with oneself, with one's family, in such a case.
The questioner : Meaning, it is possible to make her hear it...
The Shaykh : I told you, this is possible in an Islamic society, but our societies today, it is not possible.
The questioner : Meaning, we do not make her hear the curse.
The Shaykh : If you want to imagine a picture that pleases you, if you are walking in the desert and you see a woman displaying her adornment and you are wearing a mask, you say to her "May the curse of Allah be upon you," and you are not known for who you are
The brothers are laughing.
الأخوة يضحكونThe questioner : Sometimes we are riding in a car and she is walking on the ground, so we curse her and we drive on.
The questioner : This is cowardice
The student brothers are laughing.
يضحك الأخوة الطلبةThe Shaykh : It is possible, and it may lead to something, so you take the car number, for example...
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