about the members of the Tabligh movement?

The questioner: O Shaykh, among our loved ones are men of da'wah, our brothers, the men of da'wah. All their concern and thought is in calling to Allah (Mighty and Majestic); I mean, they might put the things after the prayer on the same level of importance as the prayer itself, so that the da'wah is more. They come to people and call them, saying: "Call them."

The Shaykh : ... .

The questioner: We came to the Salafi brothers, meaning you are always just sitting in this mosque, and you remain with the Qur'an and the Sunnah, and what is it called? And you pray and you do not sit with people. We want to know why they, for example, have this concern. Is it permissible for us... to our brothers? I mean, every person goes out in a group, just as he goes out according to his desire. I have not heard that the Messenger (peace be upon him)... these things are so, and there is a verse in the Qur'an that says: .

The Shaykh: Have you heard from scholars about these brothers?

The questioner: No, they are not scholars.

The Shaykh : Then?

The questioner: We did not say they are scholars, but they have hadiths.

The Shaykh: ... But I am speaking; are they scholars?

The questioner: They are not scholars.

The Shaykh: Then what is the value of what you heard from them?

The questioner: They take them from books, books of scholars.

The Shaykh : ... .

The questioner : It is from the Sunnah.

The Shaykh: The authentic Sunnah?

The questioner: Yes, the authentic Sunnah.

The Shaykh: Do they know the authentic Sunnah from the weak one?

The questioner: They have some weak hadiths and some authentic ones, but what they told us is that they are authentic hadiths.

The Shaykh: What are you rambling about...?

The questioner: Did I ramble?

The Shaykh: Many.

The questioner: Fine; we rambled anyway.

The Shaykh: He was saying at first that they know the authentic Sunnah, now he says: there are weak and authentic hadiths; isn't that rambling? You have a defect that you must treat in yourself.

The questioner: Please, we...

The Shaykh: Are you ready, of course?

The questioner : If Allah wills.

The Shaykh : May Allah reward you.
Your defect is that you are hasty, and haste is from Shaytan, and deliberation is from the Most Merciful. The hasty person speaks east and west, contradictory speech. You are speaking about the Tabligh group, saying they say this and they say that. Among what they say is that the Messenger used to send the Companions for da'wah. Do you know that the Messenger used to send them like this in tens and fifties?

The questioner: I knew through what is it called? The life I lived, I did not go out with them, but according to what... I look at the television to see.

The Shaykh: Do not waste my time.

Another questioner: I am not wasting your time.

The Shaykh: I want the answer calmly.

Another questioner: Have you heard or known that the Messenger sent the Companions in tens? Say: Yes, I went out, or No, I did not go out.

The questioner: He went out for da'wah to the King of Abyssinia, and he sent a messenger.

The Shaykh: I am telling you: Do not waste my time.

The questioner: No, not in tens, I did not mean in tens.

Another questioner: That is the answer, that is the answer.

The Shaykh: What do you not mean? Are you not speaking about the Tabligh group?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh: Does the Tabligh group go out one person to call, or in tens?

The questioner: Five, ten, only.

The Shaykh: Fine; why are you saying: I am not saying in tens? The Tabligh group does not send out one of them, like my story, I go, for example, here and there and call. They take tens of common people, they catch them from the shops, they gather them from here and from there. Do you not know this reality?

The questioner : I know.

The Shaykh: And why are you saying: No; I do not mean that? Did the Messenger do what they do?

The questioner: No, he did not do that.

The Shaykh: Then how did he do it? Now you started...

The questioner: ... They have all their concern in da'wah, and we mean this matter has a verse in the Qur'an that says: and they are always going out.

The Shaykh: My dear, you are the questioner, meaning.

The questioner: Wait a little, just let me speak to you.

The Shaykh: No, I do not want to wait, you are wasting the time of others. Are you the questioner or the lecturer?

The questioner: The questioner.

The Shaykh: The questioner or the lecturer? What is your question? You are lost, lost from your question. Why are you speaking east and west? Define your question?

The questioner: What do I need to define for you? I did not define it for you.

Another questioner: ... How did the Messenger do it?

The Shaykh : ... .

The questioner: Meaning their call to people is correct; meaning their gathering?

The Shaykh: No, it is not correct.

The questioner: Fine, O my master... and you tell me: May Allah forgive you!

The Shaykh: You are not speaking east and west.

The questioner: You are not making me speak east and west...

Another questioner: No harm, I swear by Allah, O my Shaykh, be patient with the beauty of my Shaykh, this is the beauty of the adornment of the...

The questioner: Fine; why is it not correct? Give us your evidence.

Another questioner: Yes, here is where the horse is tied, the evidence.

The Shaykh: Here is the truth in you, and they underestimated you and described you. Here with the Shaykh you say: What is your evidence? But with the Tabligh group you do not say to them: What is your evidence?!

The questioner: No harm, Shaykh, we are still...

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh: Why do you not say to them: What is your evidence?

The questioner: They are ignorant... we know from you.

The Shaykh: Good, so it is enough for you as evidence that the ignorant person does not know how to call, it is enough for you as evidence from your words, from your testimony; the ignorant person does not know how to call, just as they tell a story among us in Syria that a Kurd saw a Jew on the road. These Kurds among us are joked about; the Kurds have two traits; one trait is that they have great fanaticism for Islam but based on ignorance, and then they have courage and bravery. So a Kurd from these Kurds found a Jew on the road, he drew the dagger and said to him: ... Islam or I kill you? He said to him: What do I say? He said: I swear by Allah, I do not know! He is threatening him with death unless he becomes Muslim.
So I will become Muslim, what do I do? I do not know. Is this suitable to be a caller? No, it is not suitable; so do you understand now without me telling you: Allah said and the Messenger of Allah said, and even if I told you, you would not understand me except if I give you a lecture like your lecture this hour, but this speech suffices you from any lecture that since you admit that the group is not on knowledge, then they are not suitable to be callers to Islam; because the one who lacks a thing cannot give it, like this Kurd with that Jew. Is this point clear to you?

The questioner : It was clear.

The Shaykh: Good, let us come to the da'wah they call to, that the Messenger, O brother, we are following the Sunnah of the Messenger. Let them bring us one hadith, even if it is a fabricated lie, that the Messenger used to send in tens. Do you know when these people go to France, Europe, and America, how many go?

The questioner: In the forties...

The Shaykh: When I told you in tens; no, you reduced the number; you said: five and did not go out, I do not know if he went out!!

Another questioner: He did not go out to ten only, not tens, ten is one.

The Shaykh: Now you returned to the truth, you say: they go what? Forty, fifty. Fine; let them bring us one fabricated hadith from their fabricated hadiths that the Messenger sent like this forty, fifty, thirty, ten, five.

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh: We are satisfied, meaning satisfied, five; that the Messenger sent them in the path of da'wah, and all of them in their knowledge, and in other words, more frank in their ignorance, like these groups, they do not know anything of Islam. Where are they going? They call to Islam. Do you imagine there is a hadith about the Messenger (peace be upon him)?

Another questioner: I swear by Allah, I think before the Shaykh responds.

The Shaykh: Then we return to the verse they argue with; , . To whom is the address? To the entire Ummah, so let there be from the Ummah an Ummah. What does that mean? Meaning from the large Ummah a small Ummah; meaning a group. What is their function? They call to good.

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh: No, that is another verse. The important thing is they enjoin good, they call to good, they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong. This Ummah that was derived from the large Ummah is supposed to be the elite of the Ummah; how does the speech enter your mind?

Another questioner: Meaning the knowledgeable group in this Ummah.

The Shaykh: Fine? Good?

Another questioner: The situation proceeds, are they not knowledgeable?

The Shaykh: So Allah orders the elite of the Ummah to perform the obligation of calling to good and enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong. We see the Tabligh group, by their admission, they say: We have no scholars; did you hear this? Did you hear the admission? So ask an expert.

Another questioner: We are coming to learn, not to teach.

Another questioner: We ask Khidr, O my Shaykh.

The Shaykh: But now you heard now that they say like this? I heard, fine; even to show you the ignorance of the group, we attended a khutbah with Abu 'Abdullah. What is the name of this Shaykh, Mustafa?

Another questioner: Al-Rifai.

The Shaykh : The Rafathi? Do you know him? Do you know him? This one, if we do not say he is the most knowledgeable of the group, is among the most knowledgeable of them; correct?

The questioner : Correct.

The Shaykh : This man does not understand anything of the knowledge at all. We heard him delivering a lesson before the Friday sermon, saying that calling to Allah is an individual obligation. By Allah, what does he say? What did he say in the verse just now, or did you forget it? , not all of you.

The questioner: Correct.

The Shaykh means a group of you. These people fulfill the duty of what? Calling to good and enjoining good and forbidding evil. So, enjoining good and forbidding evil and calling to good is not an individual obligation for every Muslim, no. This is an individual obligation if we want to adhere to it, an individual obligation for this elite, a group from the Ummah. Is that clear to you?

The questioner : Is that clear?

The Shaykh : So what do you say if their scholar is ignorant? And therefore, my brother, we say as He, the Exalted, said: This is obligatory, but it is obligatory upon the people of knowledge, not upon the people of ignorance. And if the Tabligh group admits that they are not scholars, this admission benefits us; we do not need it, because we see their ignorance. One of them, with complete lack of shame and modesty, holds "Riyad al-Salihin" even though it is not vocalized; he does not know how to read the hadith as the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) pronounced it. Then he says, "The Messenger of Allah said so and so," and "The Messenger of Allah said." Allah knows that none of the attendees understood what was intended in any of the hadiths. What is the benefit of this lesson? The benefit is that we are here, but that is the only benefit. We call to Allah, we go out in the path of Allah. Where is the path of Allah? The path of Allah is . Therefore, we say to them: O people, instead of going out in large groups, sit in the mosque. Find for yourselves a strong student of knowledge who explains to you what you do not know, and learn it, and then go out. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) has several authentic hadiths where he sent Mu'adh ibn Jabal. Where is Mu'adh ibn Jabal, and where are these groups? That Jabal in knowledge. He sent Ali ibn Abi Talib, he sent Abu Musa al-Ash'ari, he sent Dhiyyah al-Kalbi, he sent individuals like these to call; because they were upon knowledge. But he did not send with Mu'adh fifteen Bedouin Arabs who had not yet understood Islam according to the correct concept. He sent a knowledgeable man to teach the people. Therefore, my brother, the Tabligh group are contrary to the actual calling; because the one who lacks a thing cannot give it.