What is the manner of placing the hands in the first tashahhud?
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The Shaykh : Regarding the word "touching," I will forgive you for using the word "touching." The meaning here is the meaning of touching; we have given the description.
The questioner : Tawruk is not iftirash either. This is found close to it: tawruk without iftirash.
The Shaykh : It is like that. It is as you say in tawruk, which resembles alignment and resembles this statement.
The questioner : The first tashahhud, Abu 'Abd al-Rahman.
Another questioner : The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to place the edge of his right elbow on his right thigh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : In Abu Dawud and al-Nasa'i, in the authentic collection.
The Shaykh : This "edge" means alignment; it does not mean touching.
The questioner : Is this not the edge of the elbow?
The Shaykh : The edge of his right elbow with what?
The questioner : On his right thigh.
The Shaykh : Do you remember that it is found here in the same hadith? It is the hadith of Wail. It says he places his palm on his right knee. Is that correct?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, place your palm on... iftarash, let us see. Place your palm, not your arm, your palm.
The questioner : Like this, the palm.
The Shaykh : The palm, no, you rushed in.
The questioner : On the thigh?
The Shaykh : Yes, you placed it here on the knee like this, you aligned it. The position should be like this, correct? Now clasp it. Okay, now make contact, see what happens with you now. Is it like this? There is nothing like this. The "edge" means alignment.
Another questioner : Our Shaykh, there is a note here, meaning this.
The Shaykh : Please go ahead.
The questioner : At the statement "and the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to place the edge of his right elbow on his right thigh," the word "edge" in the note says it means the end, and it seems the intended meaning is that he did not separate his elbow from his side. Ibn al-Qayyim stated this explicitly.
The Shaykh : Meaning he does not do it like this, but there is no contact.
The Shaykh : It is this.
Another questioner : He places the edge of his right elbow on the thigh.
The Shaykh : Alignment.
Another questioner : Alignment means.
The Shaykh : Did you not notice what happened to him now?
Another questioner : Yes, it became like this and like this.
The Shaykh : If they were
Another questioner : His placement is not.
The Shaykh : It is not normal at all.
The questioner : No, be patient. Do you think if there is something.
The Shaykh : There is nothing.
The questioner : Different.
The Shaykh : We are being patient. Now, you agree that you want to place your palm on your knee?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Place it. See now where your arm is. Good, listen, now clasp a little. Good, touch.
The questioner : This is an unnatural position now. I am like this all the time, it does not mean I look at all of this.
The Shaykh : Meaning, my brother, do not do it like this and do not do it like this.
The questioner : It will adjust itself.
The Shaykh : Ah?
The questioner : A middle position.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The questioner : See, like this there is more comfort.
The Shaykh : Excuse me, this tawruk is another thing. In tawruk, you place the whole arm on your thigh. Ifitarash is different from tawruk. In any case, this contact I mentioned, we have lived with this, we have not seen it nor understood it. We have not seen it in narration nor known it by experience. Give me a paper, oh.Abu Layla
The questioner : Meaning, we understood that the edge of the elbow means it touches the thigh. That is a wrong understanding.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly, there is no touching.
The questioner : Tawruk is not iftirash either. This is found close to it: tawruk without iftirash.
The Shaykh : It is like that. It is as you say in tawruk, which resembles alignment and resembles this statement.
The questioner : The first tashahhud, Abu 'Abd al-Rahman.
Another questioner : The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to place the edge of his right elbow on his right thigh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : In Abu Dawud and al-Nasa'i, in the authentic collection.
The Shaykh : This "edge" means alignment; it does not mean touching.
The questioner : Is this not the edge of the elbow?
The Shaykh : The edge of his right elbow with what?
The questioner : On his right thigh.
The Shaykh : Do you remember that it is found here in the same hadith? It is the hadith of Wail. It says he places his palm on his right knee. Is that correct?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, place your palm on... iftarash, let us see. Place your palm, not your arm, your palm.
The questioner : Like this, the palm.
The Shaykh : The palm, no, you rushed in.
The questioner : On the thigh?
The Shaykh : Yes, you placed it here on the knee like this, you aligned it. The position should be like this, correct? Now clasp it. Okay, now make contact, see what happens with you now. Is it like this? There is nothing like this. The "edge" means alignment.
Another questioner : Our Shaykh, there is a note here, meaning this.
The Shaykh : Please go ahead.
The questioner : At the statement "and the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to place the edge of his right elbow on his right thigh," the word "edge" in the note says it means the end, and it seems the intended meaning is that he did not separate his elbow from his side. Ibn al-Qayyim stated this explicitly.
The Shaykh : Meaning he does not do it like this, but there is no contact.
The Shaykh : It is this.
Another questioner : He places the edge of his right elbow on the thigh.
The Shaykh : Alignment.
Another questioner : Alignment means.
The Shaykh : Did you not notice what happened to him now?
Another questioner : Yes, it became like this and like this.
The Shaykh : If they were
Another questioner : His placement is not.
The Shaykh : It is not normal at all.
The questioner : No, be patient. Do you think if there is something.
The Shaykh : There is nothing.
The questioner : Different.
The Shaykh : We are being patient. Now, you agree that you want to place your palm on your knee?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Place it. See now where your arm is. Good, listen, now clasp a little. Good, touch.
The questioner : This is an unnatural position now. I am like this all the time, it does not mean I look at all of this.
The Shaykh : Meaning, my brother, do not do it like this and do not do it like this.
The questioner : It will adjust itself.
The Shaykh : Ah?
The questioner : A middle position.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The questioner : See, like this there is more comfort.
The Shaykh : Excuse me, this tawruk is another thing. In tawruk, you place the whole arm on your thigh. Ifitarash is different from tawruk. In any case, this contact I mentioned, we have lived with this, we have not seen it nor understood it. We have not seen it in narration nor known it by experience. Give me a paper, oh.Abu Layla
The questioner : Meaning, we understood that the edge of the elbow means it touches the thigh. That is a wrong understanding.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly, there is no touching.
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