Is the hadith of the thief judged as fabricated or weak? And if it is the latter, is it cited as evidence?
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The questioner : HereThe Shaykh : Ali (may Allah preserve him) posed a question and he categorized it as follows.
The Shaykh : Fine.
The questioner : He asks: Is the hadith of the thief judged as weak or fabricated? And if it is weak, is it cited as evidence?
The Shaykh : That is to say, if there is someone in the hadith who steals, and it has no corroborating narrations, it is self-evident that it is judged as weak without any doubt. But there is a question: is it judged as fabricated?
The questioner : Is it judged as weak or fabricated?
The Shaykh : I said:
The questioner : It is weak.
The Shaykh : I said it is weak, not self-evidently. However, it may be judged as fabricated based on the circumstances, because the fabrication, as mentioned regarding a strange narration from a shaykh, for example, may be due to the fabrication of the chain, but perhaps the text cannot be said to be fabricated. Initially, it is judged as weak unanimously.
The questioner : And consequently, based on that, it is not cited as evidence.
The Shaykh : It is not cited as evidence.
The questioner : It is originally, as we said,
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The questioner : stolen from others.
The Shaykh : From others, yes.
The questioner : Our Shaykh, regarding the topic of stealing, specifically stealing hadiths, I seek clarification from you.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : Regarding al-Haythami's statement, al-Haythami says in Majma' al-Zawa'id, three... and thirty on the hadith of Abu Umamah: "Jibril came to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) while he was at Tabuk and said: 'O Muhammad, attend the funeral of Mu'awiyah ibn Mu'awiyah al-Muzani.' So the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) went out, and Jibril descended with seventy thousand angels. He placed his right wing on the mountains, and they humbled themselves, and he placed his left wing on the earth, and we humbled ourselves, until when he looked toward Makkah and al-Madinah, the Messenger prayed over him."
The Shaykh : This is not correct.
The questioner : And Jibril and the angels, when he finished, he said: "O Jibril, by what did Mu'awiyah ibn Mu'awiyah al-Muzani attain this rank?" He said: "By reciting 'Say: He is Allah, the One' while standing, sitting, riding, and walking." The hadith. Al-Haythami said: It was narrated by al-Tabarani.
The Shaykh : Fine.
The questioner : He asks: Is the hadith of the thief judged as weak or fabricated? And if it is weak, is it cited as evidence?
The Shaykh : That is to say, if there is someone in the hadith who steals, and it has no corroborating narrations, it is self-evident that it is judged as weak without any doubt. But there is a question: is it judged as fabricated?
The questioner : Is it judged as weak or fabricated?
The Shaykh : I said:
The questioner : It is weak.
The Shaykh : I said it is weak, not self-evidently. However, it may be judged as fabricated based on the circumstances, because the fabrication, as mentioned regarding a strange narration from a shaykh, for example, may be due to the fabrication of the chain, but perhaps the text cannot be said to be fabricated. Initially, it is judged as weak unanimously.
The questioner : And consequently, based on that, it is not cited as evidence.
The Shaykh : It is not cited as evidence.
The questioner : It is originally, as we said,
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The questioner : stolen from others.
The Shaykh : From others, yes.
The questioner : Our Shaykh, regarding the topic of stealing, specifically stealing hadiths, I seek clarification from you.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : Regarding al-Haythami's statement, al-Haythami says in Majma' al-Zawa'id, three... and thirty on the hadith of Abu Umamah: "Jibril came to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) while he was at Tabuk and said: 'O Muhammad, attend the funeral of Mu'awiyah ibn Mu'awiyah al-Muzani.' So the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) went out, and Jibril descended with seventy thousand angels. He placed his right wing on the mountains, and they humbled themselves, and he placed his left wing on the earth, and we humbled ourselves, until when he looked toward Makkah and al-Madinah, the Messenger prayed over him."
The Shaykh : This is not correct.
The questioner : And Jibril and the angels, when he finished, he said: "O Jibril, by what did Mu'awiyah ibn Mu'awiyah al-Muzani attain this rank?" He said: "By reciting 'Say: He is Allah, the One' while standing, sitting, riding, and walking." The hadith. Al-Haythami said: It was narrated by al-Tabarani.
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