What is the meaning of al-Haythami’s phrase in his commentary on a hadith containing Nu‘aym ibn ‘Umar, in which Ibn Hibban said: “It is said that he stole this hadith”?
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The questioner : It is in al-Kabir and al-Muttasil, and it contains Nu‘aym ibn ‘Umar. Ibn Hibban said: “It is said that he stole this hadith.” I said: “This is not a weakness in the hadith, and it contains Baqiyyah, so he is a mudallis, and there is no defect in it other than this.” I found it difficult to understand al-Haythami’s phrase, so I seek clarification of his intended meaning in this phrase?
The Shaykh : Repeat his phrase: “This is not”?
The questioner : Al-Tabarani narrated it in al-Kabir and al-Muttasil, and it contains Nu‘aym ibn ‘Umar. Ibn Hibban said: “It is said that he stole this hadith.” I said: “This is not a weakness in the hadith, and it contains Baqiyyah, and he is a mudallis, and there is no defect in it other than this”?
The Shaykh : By Allah, I do not see an answer to me right now, but as a preliminary to the answer, we should look at al-Tabarani’s chain of narration. If it is available to you, it may open up something for us. It may be that the defect is above Baqiyyah, or it may be that the defect is below Baqiyyah. If the defect is above Baqiyyah, then we should look at this statement.
The questioner : Shaykh, when Ibn Hibban said that he steals the hadith, al-Haythami knows that this word does not imply weakness. It is said that he stole this hadith.
The Shaykh : Your observation opens up another question for us: to confront the biography of Nu‘aym.
The questioner : In al-Majruhin.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : In Ibn Hibban’s al-Majruhin, to see his biography.
The Shaykh : Yes, and also in others, not just Ibn Hibban.
The questioner : OrThe Shaykh : I wrote here as well, perhaps the copy contains a scribal error, and the correct reading is “This does not weaken the hadith,” not “This is not a weakness.” It means that with Ibn Hibban’s statement, this does not weaken the hadith... because the hadith exists from another route, and the fact that he stole it is one thing, and the fact that the hadith is established from another direction is another thing.
The Shaykh : What is the difference then between him and Baqiyyah? Please, please.
The questioner : Al-Tabarani says in his book, number seven thousand five hundred and thirty-seven: “‘Ali ibn Sa‘id al-Razi narrated to us, and Nu‘aym ibn ‘Umar ibn Harith al-Sakaski al-Himshi narrated to us, and Baqiyyah ibn al-Walid narrated to us from Muhammad ibn Ziyad from Abu Umamah, who said:Riyad as-Salihin 1686 the hadith.”
The Shaykh : That is enough, the matter is over, because the defect is from above, the answer is clear.
The questioner : It is clear.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good.
The questioner : The answer was not clear to me, the answer was not clear to me.
The Shaykh : And knowing, and knowing, my brothers, that this hadith is not authentic, it is not authentic in its origin. And this chain is among the chains by which this rejected hadith was narrated, because it is not authentic that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prayed the prayer for the absent except for the King of Abyssinia, the Najashi, who was named As‘amah. Please.
The questioner : Shaykh, I mean, if the thief was lower in weakness than you are now, from Baqiyyah the mudallis.
The Shaykh : The reality is sufficient for us, no hypotheticals, may Allah reward you.
The questioner : This is as in the example, I am speaking about the example that was read.The Shaykh : Famous.
The Shaykh : The example was preceded by an answer.
The questioner : I say that your answer to it was not clear to me.
The Shaykh : Good, but I clarified your question, that you are reversing the reality, and therefore I said let us leave the hypotheticals. As for my answer regarding this reality.The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : It is that the one accused of stealing the hadith is below the well-known level in the methods of hadith, which is Baqiyyah, below him.
The questioner : To al-Tabarani, before al-Tabarani, from Baqiyyah.
The Shaykh : So we start with the defect from above, not from below.
The questioner : Yes, so the defect, so what I understood now is that it is said that this is weaker and more severely weak than Baqiyyah, and he is the one who carries what Baqiyyah carries.
The Shaykh : I did not say that.
The questioner : Shaykh, it is not possible, Shaykh, if we assume thatThe Shaykh : Al-Tabarani and it was lost, if.
The Shaykh : We return to the hypotheticals, Professor.
The questioner : This is a matter, O Shaykh, that we encounter in.
The Shaykh : Every incident has its own story.
The questioner : And if it happens to me, come back a second time and ask about it.
The Shaykh : No problem, you have the phone, you have the phone.
The questioner : I mean, if this one is lower, the fabricator is lower, then it is possible that he means he fabricated the hadith and named this mudallis.
The Shaykh : Let us assume the answer on the same principle, we do not say hypothetically that he is the accused and not...
The questioner : Shaykh, and you referred to its cause being the ease of a supporting chain coming to the one at the end of the chain...
The Shaykh : From below, yes, it is so.
The Shaykh : Repeat his phrase: “This is not”?
The questioner : Al-Tabarani narrated it in al-Kabir and al-Muttasil, and it contains Nu‘aym ibn ‘Umar. Ibn Hibban said: “It is said that he stole this hadith.” I said: “This is not a weakness in the hadith, and it contains Baqiyyah, and he is a mudallis, and there is no defect in it other than this”?
The Shaykh : By Allah, I do not see an answer to me right now, but as a preliminary to the answer, we should look at al-Tabarani’s chain of narration. If it is available to you, it may open up something for us. It may be that the defect is above Baqiyyah, or it may be that the defect is below Baqiyyah. If the defect is above Baqiyyah, then we should look at this statement.
The questioner : Shaykh, when Ibn Hibban said that he steals the hadith, al-Haythami knows that this word does not imply weakness. It is said that he stole this hadith.
The Shaykh : Your observation opens up another question for us: to confront the biography of Nu‘aym.
The questioner : In al-Majruhin.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : In Ibn Hibban’s al-Majruhin, to see his biography.
The Shaykh : Yes, and also in others, not just Ibn Hibban.
The questioner : OrThe Shaykh : I wrote here as well, perhaps the copy contains a scribal error, and the correct reading is “This does not weaken the hadith,” not “This is not a weakness.” It means that with Ibn Hibban’s statement, this does not weaken the hadith... because the hadith exists from another route, and the fact that he stole it is one thing, and the fact that the hadith is established from another direction is another thing.
The Shaykh : What is the difference then between him and Baqiyyah? Please, please.
The questioner : Al-Tabarani says in his book, number seven thousand five hundred and thirty-seven: “‘Ali ibn Sa‘id al-Razi narrated to us, and Nu‘aym ibn ‘Umar ibn Harith al-Sakaski al-Himshi narrated to us, and Baqiyyah ibn al-Walid narrated to us from Muhammad ibn Ziyad from Abu Umamah, who said:
Jibril (Gabriel) (ﷺ) made a promise with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ)
أتى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم جبريل عليه السلامThe Shaykh : That is enough, the matter is over, because the defect is from above, the answer is clear.
The questioner : It is clear.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good.
The questioner : The answer was not clear to me, the answer was not clear to me.
The Shaykh : And knowing, and knowing, my brothers, that this hadith is not authentic, it is not authentic in its origin. And this chain is among the chains by which this rejected hadith was narrated, because it is not authentic that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prayed the prayer for the absent except for the King of Abyssinia, the Najashi, who was named As‘amah. Please.
The questioner : Shaykh, I mean, if the thief was lower in weakness than you are now, from Baqiyyah the mudallis.
The Shaykh : The reality is sufficient for us, no hypotheticals, may Allah reward you.
The questioner : This is as in the example, I am speaking about the example that was read.The Shaykh : Famous.
The Shaykh : The example was preceded by an answer.
The questioner : I say that your answer to it was not clear to me.
The Shaykh : Good, but I clarified your question, that you are reversing the reality, and therefore I said let us leave the hypotheticals. As for my answer regarding this reality.The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : It is that the one accused of stealing the hadith is below the well-known level in the methods of hadith, which is Baqiyyah, below him.
The questioner : To al-Tabarani, before al-Tabarani, from Baqiyyah.
The Shaykh : So we start with the defect from above, not from below.
The questioner : Yes, so the defect, so what I understood now is that it is said that this is weaker and more severely weak than Baqiyyah, and he is the one who carries what Baqiyyah carries.
The Shaykh : I did not say that.
The questioner : Shaykh, it is not possible, Shaykh, if we assume thatThe Shaykh : Al-Tabarani and it was lost, if.
The Shaykh : We return to the hypotheticals, Professor.
The questioner : This is a matter, O Shaykh, that we encounter in.
The Shaykh : Every incident has its own story.
The questioner : And if it happens to me, come back a second time and ask about it.
The Shaykh : No problem, you have the phone, you have the phone.
The questioner : I mean, if this one is lower, the fabricator is lower, then it is possible that he means he fabricated the hadith and named this mudallis.
The Shaykh : Let us assume the answer on the same principle, we do not say hypothetically that he is the accused and not...
The questioner : Shaykh, and you referred to its cause being the ease of a supporting chain coming to the one at the end of the chain...
The Shaykh : From below, yes, it is so.
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