What is the ruling on one who explicitly expresses disbelief with his tongue, such as saying: “That democracy is a religious obligation” and “Prayer is an old-fashioned trend”?

The questioner : Regarding explicitly expressing disbelief with the tongue:

The Shaykh : Ah

The questioner : Does it not indicate what is in the heart, especially if one of them says, for example, that prayer is an old-fashioned trend, or says, for example, like the one who says that democracy is a religious obligation, or that democracy is the system of shura in Islam?

The Shaykh : May Allah reward you. The wording may indicate what you say, and it may not indicate what you say. Therefore, it is necessary to distinguish, and this is a very important matter. I hope our brothers are not heedless of it. Now, we have given some examples and asked: who does such-and-such has committed disbelief. We did not say that this may be a disbelief of belief or a disbelief of action. After this research, we moved to verbal disbelief and disbelief of the heart, and we stopped at verbal disbelief. We did not say that one who utters a word of disbelief is immediately judged as a disbeliever; it is necessary to clarify his case.