How does one who prays Maghrib behind an imam who is praying 'Isha' act?
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The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah
The questioner : How is our Shaykh doing?
The Shaykh: Welcome, praise be to Allah.
The questioner : By the will of Allah, the health is good.
The Shaykh : May Allah preserve you with good.
The questioner : Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
The Shaykh : Praise be to Allah.
The questioner : May Allah bless you
The Shaykh : Welcome.
The questioner : By Allah, O Shaykh, if you please, regarding a question.
The Shaykh : Please go ahead.
The questioner : After the Maghrib prayer today, in the congregational prayer, a group who were traveling prayed Maghrib with us. They stood up and intended to combine the prayers by advancing them. Then a group of people entered, thinking they were praying Maghrib, so they intended to pray 'Isha' with them. The brother who was leading them in 'Isha' with the advanced combination did not shorten the prayer; rather, he prayed four rak'ahs. In this situation, if one entered intending Maghrib, does he follow the imam or does he limit himself to three rak'ahs and conclude the prayer?
The Shaykh : Those who followed the travelers, were they residents?
The questioner : They were passersby on a normal road, meaning they were not residents.
The Shaykh : My brother, answer me: were they residents or travelers?
The questioner : No, travelers. The group that entered were not travelers.
The Shaykh : So they were residents. Those who followed the travelers were residents, then?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, and were the travelers praying 'Isha' with the advanced combination?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And did these residents pray Maghrib behind those who were praying 'Isha'?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Meaning that, as residents, they prayed Maghrib in its proper time.
Another questioner : Yes, they prayed Maghrib in its proper time.
The Shaykh : Correct?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, so what is the question exactly, in brief?
The questioner : The one who prayed 'Isha' did not shorten the 'Isha' prayer but completed it with four rak'ahs.
The Shaykh : Ah
The questioner : The one who intended Maghrib behind him.
The Shaykh : He intends to separate from the imam.
The questioner : He intends to separate from the imam.
The Shaykh : Yes, he intends to separate from the imam, and he recites the tashahhud and concludes the prayer on his own.
The questioner : Meaning the ruling of following the imam does not apply to him.
The Shaykh : No, no.
The questioner : Even if the imam makes a mistake, meaning.
The Shaykh : No, it does not apply to him.
The questioner : It does not apply to him, no.
The questioner : May Allah bless you, meaning, what is the difference between this and that?
The Shaykh : The three-rak'ah prayer does not become a four-rak'ah prayer.
The questioner : Okay, if we consider that the imam was praying Maghrib, and then in the third rak'ah he made a mistake and stood up for the fourth, does the follower follow him or separate from him?
The Shaykh : He should follow him.
The questioner : Okay, what is the difference between the two situations now?
The Shaykh : My brother, there is no analogy in this matter. That is an obligatory prayer, and here it is following, just as the Companions of the Messenger followed the Messenger when he prayed Dhuhr with five rak'ahs.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : So here there is a text regarding following when the imam is mistaken, and here the imam is not mistaken.
The questioner : He is not mistaken, yes.
The Shaykh : So there is a difference between the two matters, so leave the analogy.
The questioner : Excuse me, O Shaykh, I mean the one who entered thinking it was Maghrib.
The Shaykh : My brother, may Allah guide you, I did not understand you?
The questioner : I understood you, may Allah bless you.
The Shaykh : I am telling you, leave the analogy. You will go back and repeat the question for me. Did you understand? The follower intended Maghrib, and I answered you that it is not permissible for him to follow the imam who is praying 'Isha' with four rak'ahs.
The questioner : O our Shaykh, he does not know that he is praying 'Isha'.
The Shaykh : There is no power nor strength except with Allah.
Another questioner : He says he does not know that he is praying 'Isha'.
The questioner : May Allah bless you, meaning, O Shaykh, may Allah reward you with good. He entered thinking he was praying Maghrib, so he intended Maghrib behind him.
The Shaykh : Now, this is the last time. Now, do you remember that he thought? Did you say this in your first question?
The questioner : May Allah bless you, I consider it a subsequent question.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, you wasted all our effort with you in vain.
The questioner : May Allah bless you, O Shaykh, because this is exactly what I have. May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : This is what you have, meaning, when the one who wants to pray Maghrib entered, now your question is developing. He thought that this one who is praying, and he is a traveler, thought he was praying Maghrib.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : And that when he stood up for the fourth, he stood up in forgetfulness.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, now we say he follows him.
The questioner : He should follow him.
The Shaykh : But you have developed this with me now.
The questioner : Please go ahead.
The Shaykh : You have developed it with me. Your question was one form and became another form. In any case, you have gained, meaning, back and forth. You understood the issue, whether in the form you circled around last or in the form we circled around first.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : So you returned with two benefits, meaning.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Okay, do you want something else?
The questioner : May Allah bless you
The Shaykh : Peace be upon you
The questioner : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah
The questioner : How is our Shaykh doing?
The Shaykh: Welcome, praise be to Allah.
The questioner : By the will of Allah, the health is good.
The Shaykh : May Allah preserve you with good.
The questioner : Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
The Shaykh : Praise be to Allah.
The questioner : May Allah bless you
The Shaykh : Welcome.
The questioner : By Allah, O Shaykh, if you please, regarding a question.
The Shaykh : Please go ahead.
The questioner : After the Maghrib prayer today, in the congregational prayer, a group who were traveling prayed Maghrib with us. They stood up and intended to combine the prayers by advancing them. Then a group of people entered, thinking they were praying Maghrib, so they intended to pray 'Isha' with them. The brother who was leading them in 'Isha' with the advanced combination did not shorten the prayer; rather, he prayed four rak'ahs. In this situation, if one entered intending Maghrib, does he follow the imam or does he limit himself to three rak'ahs and conclude the prayer?
The Shaykh : Those who followed the travelers, were they residents?
The questioner : They were passersby on a normal road, meaning they were not residents.
The Shaykh : My brother, answer me: were they residents or travelers?
The questioner : No, travelers. The group that entered were not travelers.
The Shaykh : So they were residents. Those who followed the travelers were residents, then?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, and were the travelers praying 'Isha' with the advanced combination?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And did these residents pray Maghrib behind those who were praying 'Isha'?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Meaning that, as residents, they prayed Maghrib in its proper time.
Another questioner : Yes, they prayed Maghrib in its proper time.
The Shaykh : Correct?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, so what is the question exactly, in brief?
The questioner : The one who prayed 'Isha' did not shorten the 'Isha' prayer but completed it with four rak'ahs.
The Shaykh : Ah
The questioner : The one who intended Maghrib behind him.
The Shaykh : He intends to separate from the imam.
The questioner : He intends to separate from the imam.
The Shaykh : Yes, he intends to separate from the imam, and he recites the tashahhud and concludes the prayer on his own.
The questioner : Meaning the ruling of following the imam does not apply to him.
The Shaykh : No, no.
The questioner : Even if the imam makes a mistake, meaning.
The Shaykh : No, it does not apply to him.
The questioner : It does not apply to him, no.
The questioner : May Allah bless you, meaning, what is the difference between this and that?
The Shaykh : The three-rak'ah prayer does not become a four-rak'ah prayer.
The questioner : Okay, if we consider that the imam was praying Maghrib, and then in the third rak'ah he made a mistake and stood up for the fourth, does the follower follow him or separate from him?
The Shaykh : He should follow him.
The questioner : Okay, what is the difference between the two situations now?
The Shaykh : My brother, there is no analogy in this matter. That is an obligatory prayer, and here it is following, just as the Companions of the Messenger followed the Messenger when he prayed Dhuhr with five rak'ahs.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : So here there is a text regarding following when the imam is mistaken, and here the imam is not mistaken.
The questioner : He is not mistaken, yes.
The Shaykh : So there is a difference between the two matters, so leave the analogy.
The questioner : Excuse me, O Shaykh, I mean the one who entered thinking it was Maghrib.
The Shaykh : My brother, may Allah guide you, I did not understand you?
The questioner : I understood you, may Allah bless you.
The Shaykh : I am telling you, leave the analogy. You will go back and repeat the question for me. Did you understand? The follower intended Maghrib, and I answered you that it is not permissible for him to follow the imam who is praying 'Isha' with four rak'ahs.
The questioner : O our Shaykh, he does not know that he is praying 'Isha'.
The Shaykh : There is no power nor strength except with Allah.
Another questioner : He says he does not know that he is praying 'Isha'.
The questioner : May Allah bless you, meaning, O Shaykh, may Allah reward you with good. He entered thinking he was praying Maghrib, so he intended Maghrib behind him.
The Shaykh : Now, this is the last time. Now, do you remember that he thought? Did you say this in your first question?
The questioner : May Allah bless you, I consider it a subsequent question.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, you wasted all our effort with you in vain.
The questioner : May Allah bless you, O Shaykh, because this is exactly what I have. May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : This is what you have, meaning, when the one who wants to pray Maghrib entered, now your question is developing. He thought that this one who is praying, and he is a traveler, thought he was praying Maghrib.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : And that when he stood up for the fourth, he stood up in forgetfulness.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, now we say he follows him.
The questioner : He should follow him.
The Shaykh : But you have developed this with me now.
The questioner : Please go ahead.
The Shaykh : You have developed it with me. Your question was one form and became another form. In any case, you have gained, meaning, back and forth. You understood the issue, whether in the form you circled around last or in the form we circled around first.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : So you returned with two benefits, meaning.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Okay, do you want something else?
The questioner : May Allah bless you
The Shaykh : Peace be upon you
The questioner : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
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