The Shaykh spoke about what one begins with, which is referring disputes to the Book and the Sunnah.

The questioner : I wish it had ended. The man, I mean, always keeps going around the issues of the methodology of understanding. As you mentioned, everyone claims that he takes from the Book and the Sunnah, even the Mu'tazilah, and he says this, but he did not answer out of stubbornness, I mean!

The Shaykh : And this is what our friend must know.

The questioner : The issue concerns the methodology of...

The Shaykh : Every sect claims this call, so... what is the difference! Please, go ahead.

The questioner : The methodology of understanding, I mean, who takes precedence in understanding the texts: the transmitted texts or reason? Issues concerning the methodologies of deduction, I mean, and the methodologies of understanding regarding Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He). This is the problem he has, and at the head of it is the issue of reason and the transmitted texts, as you know!

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : And the issues where the research increased, or rather where he delves deeper, is that he is now demolishing the methodology of the science of hadith and the rules of the science of hadith among the people of the Sunnah and the community, I mean, even as he said...The Shaykh : 'Abd al-Fattah: Ninety-five percent of the hadiths of al-Bukhari are lies!

The Shaykh : Yes, and what is your opinion? Is it possible to research with such a person before we establish the rules and foundations upon which we can proceed?

The questioner : I mean, if I were in his place?

The Shaykh : Is it possible?

The questioner : It is not possible.

The Shaykh: All right, so this is a simple matter. He did not agree to proceed with us from the very beginning. He said, "This is not our topic." Second, the style of discussion, as we say, with Muhammad and others. My brother, I ask him, "Is this permissible with you or not?" He wants to give a lecture on it. I know the methods of these people. In that lecture, most of the people in the assembly are lost and do not understand what the answer is. I may understand the answer, but I want the essence to be presented directly: "This is permissible with me," or "This is not permissible with me," "This is correct with me," or "This is not correct with me." Then explain whatever you wish. If he does not agree to this very, very simple point, it means he is set in his ways. He wants to proceed first in the style he is following, and then in the goal he is adopting. That is, he is not willing to change either his style or his belief! If it is not like this, what is the benefit of the meeting and the gathering? There must be, what? There must be give and take. There are basic points. Now, if we meet with a Jew or a Christian, can we tell him that we must establish the principle of ? Of course not.

The questioner : Of course not, there is something before that!

The Shaykh : Yes, there is something, and many things, and very many, but this man says, "I am a Muslim, and I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah," and he believes in the verses of Allah, and in them is . We understand, along with the majority of Muslim scholars, that this verse contains two things: it contains what is clarified and what clarifies! It is the Qur'an, which is what is clarified, and it is the Sunnah. Ah, we assume that this man is with us on this principle. But if he is not with us, it is absolutely impossible to reach agreement between us and him. Therefore, it was supposed that we start from two points: one is a goal and a creed shared by all Muslims, and the other is the style. The goal must be agreed upon, necessarily, because the people gathered are Muslims, and it is . As for the style, agreement may be reached, or it may not. But when I say, I return to our brother Muhammad, who has honored us with his acquaintance now, why does one of you set himself in his position as if he is cast in concrete, never deviating, never answering a clear issue, as clear as the sun in the fourth hour of the day...