The Shaykh’s remaining words on the argument using the hadith of the two girls to prohibit the hand drum.
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The questioner : Some of them say that this statement is the statement of the Prophet, the statement of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him), "a flute of Satan in the house of the Messenger of Allah," meaning this was a question, and the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) approved it. So when the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Let them be."
The Shaykh: Excuse me.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Is this a question?
The questioner : From Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, so some people say. Of course, it is a rhetorical question.
The Shaykh : Meaning, the one who is narrating the error is not the one who made the error, is that right?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : How do you mean?
The questioner : Just as the one who transmits disbelief is not a disbeliever.
The Shaykh : That is why I did not say to you "disbelief," I said "error." Okay, what?
The questioner : I said "some people say."
The Shaykh : "Some people say" this is a question.
The questioner : If you wish, I am ready to say it in my own words.
The Shaykh : Your tongue and your neighbor’s tongue, what does it matter to me? The price is the same for me, but I want to verify that this was a question from Abu Bakr?
The questioner : No, the one who says it says, "Yes, this is a normal question, it is not a rhetorical question."
The Shaykh : You see, you are the one who is confusing things, not him.
The questioner : Okay.
The Shaykh : You said "question"... you said "interrogation," meaning you did not say "correct expression."
The questioner : Interrogation.
The Shaykh: It is known.
The questioner : Okay, fine.
The Shaykh : Okay, okay, fine. Here, what did Abu Bakr ask about? Where is the interrogation here?
The questioner : Meaning, do you use the flute in the house of the Messenger of Allah?
The Shaykh : Interrogation.
The questioner : Yes, the question did not come, our Shaykh, the question did not come yet.
The Shaykh : Before the question, before the question, you said, "Okay, after we corrected the error, we removed the word 'question' and put 'interrogation' in place of the word 'question'."
The questioner : Interrogation.
The Shaykh : To whom is this interrogation directed from Abu Bakr?
The questioner : To the two girls.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar! And who is this sane person who imagines that the best of people after the Messenger of Allah would ask two girls who are singing with the hand drum?
The questioner : In the presence of the Messenger.
The questioner: It is not credible.
The Shaykh : How do you imagine this?
The questioner: It is not credible.
The Shaykh : I am afraid you are mistaken, because I cannot imagine a sane person saying that.
The questioner : If I were to tell you the question, perhaps the issue would be resolved.
The questioner : I don’t understand, he is telling you that he is inquiring from them, meaning from the two girls, he is telling them, "Is this what you are doing?" Is he taking knowledge from them?
The Shaykh : I know, by Allah...
The questioner : Stop the interrogation.
The Shaykh : This is called an interrogative of reproach, my brother.
The questioner : I know this, I know that its name is an interrogative of reproach.
The Shaykh : Well, okay.
The questioner : I know this, but I am quoting from some of them who say that this is a question, and they argue with the Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) answer, "Let them be," that in this statement and this sentence there is a dispensation from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and an exception for the hand drum from the other instruments of amusement.
The Shaykh : Wasn’t the Messenger’s answer?
The questioner : "For they are days of festival."
The Shaykh: May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Yes, meaning the answer is in this last sentence?
The Shaykh : Fine... I want to take you, or do I want to take the one you are quoting from? Did you hear from him directly?
The questioner : Yes, and he replied to him with this sentence, "For they are days of festival."
The Shaykh : You must reply to him that this is first, an interrogation to whom? To the two girls? Now, if you had two girls, would you come and ask them this question?
The questioner : Of course not.
The Shaykh : And you are Abu Bakr, where are you and where is he? How did you accept this statement from him?
The questioner : I did not accept that from him.
The Shaykh : How? You did not answer him.
The questioner : I told him this was a question.
The Shaykh : I am not asking you what you told him, I care about how you accepted from him that this was a question to the two girls, and you did not reply to him that this is impossible, that Abu Bakr would direct himself to the two girls to ask them what he is asking them, that this is forbidden or lawful?
The questioner : Yes, they do not know anything, or...
The Shaykh : This is what you are reproaching him for.
The questioner : Okay, fine.
The Shaykh : And the other thing, you quoted from him a general argument that the Messenger approved them, but the Messenger did not approve them with a general approval. He said to him: This is an explanatory sentence.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : So if he let them be on this day on the basis that it is a day of festival, then we asked, where is the general argument? Please.
The questioner : My teacher, is there a specification for women only on days of festival? Or for men and women?
The Shaykh : Yes, and add also on days of weddings, no problem, add also for the sake of increasing the benefit, in weddings, do you have an objection?
The questioner : No, I have no objection, but the point is, is it understood? Is it comprehended?
The questioner : Only the hand drum, or...?
The Shaykh : Only the hand drum, yes.
The questioner : Fine, my teacher, is it understood from this hadith only that it is forbidden for men?
The Shaykh : Of course, because here the scientific and usuli principles benefit us: what was originally general, it is not permissible to specify it with more than the specifying text. Applying this in what we are discussing now: striking the hand drum is forbidden by general texts, and by this text, as we explained earlier, who used striking the hand drum in the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)? Women or men? The answer is women. Men did not know striking the hand drum on days of festival and on days of weddings. So men remain within the general text, and the hand drum as an instrument and the woman as the striker of the instrument are excepted from this general text, and nothing else.
The questioner : But my teacher, you said from the general texts, so if you relied on a general text for prohibition and specified it with this evidence, meaning we did not understand from this evidence clearly its prohibition for men.
The Shaykh : Earlier we said that legal rulings are not taken from a single piece of evidence.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : I added something you have forgotten now, and if you had not forgotten it, you would have mentioned it and not concealed it. And therefore, the lesser of two evils is to attribute you to forgetting and not to concealment. Do you not remember that I said, "It is not known that men used to strike the hand drums, whether in festivals or in weddings"? So you did not mention this. From here came the exception.
The questioner : The Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, my teacher, says that the Salaf used to call the one who strikes the hand drum a eunuch.
The questioner : My teacher, with your permission, an arrangement was made with the brother Abu Muhammad that after Maghrib we will go with the brother Tahir, so on this basis we arranged and set it up.
The Shaykh: How.
The questioner : An arrangement was made with the brother Abu Muhammad, he said, "From morning to Maghrib is a long time," so we arranged our place, and by Allah, that is how it happened. I said that I have a lesson, I can after Maghrib...
The questioner : The arrangement is fixed.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : We will pray Maghrib here and sit until before 'Isha, and we will depart before Maghrib.
The Shaykh : In any case, the master of the house knows best who is in it, and we are at his command, but what I fear most is that there is a hint from above, from above.
The questioner : He has a lesson in the mosque.
The questioner : I have a lesson.
The Shaykh : I say, I excuse him if this is the case, if he delays the first lesson, he will lose it.
The questioner : This is good.
The Shaykh : But if it is usually the case that, for example, his companion the engineer Thamer invited him to a luxurious invitation, so he delayed for it and left the lesson, then here delaying the lesson is better.
The questioner : In my life, I have never done this, my teacher.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : Never have I done this, because there are people who may come to listen to the lesson from places.
The Shaykh[Al-'Ankabut 29:43] If you did not do this, it means you may do otherwise.
The questioner : And therefore, the arrangement with you is always after 'Isha so that we do not lose lessons in the mosque.
The Shaykh : We will take you if you do not do this, or that, or once.
The questioner : No, by Allah, not once.
The Shaykh : So we are with you, and you are sincere, let us go, in the name of Allah.
The questioner : My teacher, if I put a hadith and you explain it to me on the first principle, no problem, otherwise.
The Shaykh : The first principle means.
The questioner : Enough, enough, I withdrew the hadith, but what is the ruling of Islam on nasheeds?
The Shaykh : I asked, what is the principle you mean?
The questioner : The one that was the general with the specific, which we took on the hand drum.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner : That is enough.
The Shaykh : What is the question?
The Shaykh: Excuse me.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Is this a question?
The questioner : From Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, so some people say. Of course, it is a rhetorical question.
The Shaykh : Meaning, the one who is narrating the error is not the one who made the error, is that right?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : How do you mean?
The questioner : Just as the one who transmits disbelief is not a disbeliever.
The Shaykh : That is why I did not say to you "disbelief," I said "error." Okay, what?
The questioner : I said "some people say."
The Shaykh : "Some people say" this is a question.
The questioner : If you wish, I am ready to say it in my own words.
The Shaykh : Your tongue and your neighbor’s tongue, what does it matter to me? The price is the same for me, but I want to verify that this was a question from Abu Bakr?
The questioner : No, the one who says it says, "Yes, this is a normal question, it is not a rhetorical question."
The Shaykh : You see, you are the one who is confusing things, not him.
The questioner : Okay.
The Shaykh : You said "question"... you said "interrogation," meaning you did not say "correct expression."
The questioner : Interrogation.
The Shaykh: It is known.
The questioner : Okay, fine.
The Shaykh : Okay, okay, fine. Here, what did Abu Bakr ask about? Where is the interrogation here?
The questioner : Meaning, do you use the flute in the house of the Messenger of Allah?
The Shaykh : Interrogation.
The questioner : Yes, the question did not come, our Shaykh, the question did not come yet.
The Shaykh : Before the question, before the question, you said, "Okay, after we corrected the error, we removed the word 'question' and put 'interrogation' in place of the word 'question'."
The questioner : Interrogation.
The Shaykh : To whom is this interrogation directed from Abu Bakr?
The questioner : To the two girls.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar! And who is this sane person who imagines that the best of people after the Messenger of Allah would ask two girls who are singing with the hand drum?
The questioner : In the presence of the Messenger.
The questioner: It is not credible.
The Shaykh : How do you imagine this?
The questioner: It is not credible.
The Shaykh : I am afraid you are mistaken, because I cannot imagine a sane person saying that.
The questioner : If I were to tell you the question, perhaps the issue would be resolved.
The questioner : I don’t understand, he is telling you that he is inquiring from them, meaning from the two girls, he is telling them, "Is this what you are doing?" Is he taking knowledge from them?
The Shaykh : I know, by Allah...
The questioner : Stop the interrogation.
The Shaykh : This is called an interrogative of reproach, my brother.
The questioner : I know this, I know that its name is an interrogative of reproach.
The Shaykh : Well, okay.
The questioner : I know this, but I am quoting from some of them who say that this is a question, and they argue with the Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) answer, "Let them be," that in this statement and this sentence there is a dispensation from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and an exception for the hand drum from the other instruments of amusement.
The Shaykh : Wasn’t the Messenger’s answer?
The questioner : "For they are days of festival."
The Shaykh: May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Yes, meaning the answer is in this last sentence?
The Shaykh : Fine... I want to take you, or do I want to take the one you are quoting from? Did you hear from him directly?
The questioner : Yes, and he replied to him with this sentence, "For they are days of festival."
The Shaykh : You must reply to him that this is first, an interrogation to whom? To the two girls? Now, if you had two girls, would you come and ask them this question?
The questioner : Of course not.
The Shaykh : And you are Abu Bakr, where are you and where is he? How did you accept this statement from him?
The questioner : I did not accept that from him.
The Shaykh : How? You did not answer him.
The questioner : I told him this was a question.
The Shaykh : I am not asking you what you told him, I care about how you accepted from him that this was a question to the two girls, and you did not reply to him that this is impossible, that Abu Bakr would direct himself to the two girls to ask them what he is asking them, that this is forbidden or lawful?
The questioner : Yes, they do not know anything, or...
The Shaykh : This is what you are reproaching him for.
The questioner : Okay, fine.
The Shaykh : And the other thing, you quoted from him a general argument that the Messenger approved them, but the Messenger did not approve them with a general approval. He said to him:
Let them be, O Abu Bakr, for every people has a festival, and this is our festival.
دعهما يا أبا بكر فإن لكل قوم عيدا و هذا عيدناThe questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : So if he let them be on this day on the basis that it is a day of festival, then we asked, where is the general argument? Please.
The questioner : My teacher, is there a specification for women only on days of festival? Or for men and women?
The Shaykh : Yes, and add also on days of weddings, no problem, add also for the sake of increasing the benefit, in weddings, do you have an objection?
The questioner : No, I have no objection, but the point is, is it understood? Is it comprehended?
The questioner : Only the hand drum, or...?
The Shaykh : Only the hand drum, yes.
The questioner : Fine, my teacher, is it understood from this hadith only that it is forbidden for men?
The Shaykh : Of course, because here the scientific and usuli principles benefit us: what was originally general, it is not permissible to specify it with more than the specifying text. Applying this in what we are discussing now: striking the hand drum is forbidden by general texts, and by this text, as we explained earlier, who used striking the hand drum in the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)? Women or men? The answer is women. Men did not know striking the hand drum on days of festival and on days of weddings. So men remain within the general text, and the hand drum as an instrument and the woman as the striker of the instrument are excepted from this general text, and nothing else.
The questioner : But my teacher, you said from the general texts, so if you relied on a general text for prohibition and specified it with this evidence, meaning we did not understand from this evidence clearly its prohibition for men.
The Shaykh : Earlier we said that legal rulings are not taken from a single piece of evidence.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : I added something you have forgotten now, and if you had not forgotten it, you would have mentioned it and not concealed it. And therefore, the lesser of two evils is to attribute you to forgetting and not to concealment. Do you not remember that I said, "It is not known that men used to strike the hand drums, whether in festivals or in weddings"? So you did not mention this. From here came the exception.
The questioner : The Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, my teacher, says that the Salaf used to call the one who strikes the hand drum a eunuch.
The questioner : My teacher, with your permission, an arrangement was made with the brother Abu Muhammad that after Maghrib we will go with the brother Tahir, so on this basis we arranged and set it up.
The Shaykh: How.
The questioner : An arrangement was made with the brother Abu Muhammad, he said, "From morning to Maghrib is a long time," so we arranged our place, and by Allah, that is how it happened. I said that I have a lesson, I can after Maghrib...
The questioner : The arrangement is fixed.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : We will pray Maghrib here and sit until before 'Isha, and we will depart before Maghrib.
The Shaykh : In any case, the master of the house knows best who is in it, and we are at his command, but what I fear most is that there is a hint from above, from above.
The questioner : He has a lesson in the mosque.
The questioner : I have a lesson.
The Shaykh : I say, I excuse him if this is the case, if he delays the first lesson, he will lose it.
The questioner : This is good.
The Shaykh : But if it is usually the case that, for example, his companion the engineer Thamer invited him to a luxurious invitation, so he delayed for it and left the lesson, then here delaying the lesson is better.
The questioner : In my life, I have never done this, my teacher.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : Never have I done this, because there are people who may come to listen to the lesson from places.
The Shaykh
And these examples We present to the people
و تلك الأمثال نضربها للناسThe questioner : And therefore, the arrangement with you is always after 'Isha so that we do not lose lessons in the mosque.
The Shaykh : We will take you if you do not do this, or that, or once.
The questioner : No, by Allah, not once.
The Shaykh : So we are with you, and you are sincere, let us go, in the name of Allah.
The questioner : My teacher, if I put a hadith and you explain it to me on the first principle, no problem, otherwise.
The Shaykh : The first principle means.
The questioner : Enough, enough, I withdrew the hadith, but what is the ruling of Islam on nasheeds?
The Shaykh : I asked, what is the principle you mean?
The questioner : The one that was the general with the specific, which we took on the hand drum.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner : That is enough.
The Shaykh : What is the question?
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