A discussion of the words of Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab: "Not every disbeliever among the Arabs disbelieved out of arrogance and stubbornness"
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The questioner : There is a query here.
The Shaykh : Please.
The questioner : It wasThe Shaykh : (May Allah have mercy on him)The Shaykh : Muhammad in one of the letters said, "Not every disbeliever among the Arabs disbelieved out of arrogance and stubbornness."
The Shaykh : You mean the Arabs of the Prophet?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay.
The questioner : Sometimes a person disbelieves by imitation, for example, a slave who has no idea at all about this, and Allah (Exalted and Majestic is He) said[Al-An'am 6:19] so what does he sayThe Shaykh : about it?
The Shaykh : He says[Al-An'am 6:19] Did it reach them?
The questioner : The Qur'an is recited.
Another questioner : It is the same inquiry, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : It is the same inquiry, did it reach them?
The questioner : The Qur'an is recited.
The Shaykh : We have returned to the same problem. You reminded me of the discussion I related from someone else, and it turns out to be you. There is no power and no strength except with Allah.
The questioner : And he.
The Shaykh : O Shaykh, you say the Qur'an is recited. To whom is it recited? To those who understand it or to those who do not understand it?
The questioner : I am speaking about the statementThe Shaykh : I quoted for you the statementThe Shaykh : .
The Shaykh : I am now speaking withThe Shaykh : Salih, leaveThe Shaykh : Muhammad alone.
The questioner : May Allah preserve you. I mentioned this statement as an application to reality. I am saying the statementThe Shaykh : of Muhammad regarding the previous Arabs, meaning I said in the argumentation[An-Naml 27:14] I understood from that that you restrict takfir (declaring someone a disbeliever) to the point that no one is declared a disbeliever except one who disbelieved out of stubbornness and arrogance. I brought the statementThe Shaykh : that not every disbeliever among the Arabs disbelieved out of arrogance and stubbornness, and he brought the verse [Al-An'am 6:19].
The Shaykh : And I asked you, what?
The questioner : You obligated me to judge based on reality.
The Shaykh : I asked you, what? Did they convey the message to these people?
The questioner : I am not speaking about reality, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : That is enough, my brother. May Allah bless you. You quoted the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad. You delivered the message and conveyed the trust. Is it over?
The questioner : It is finished.
The Shaykh : I am asking you now, did they convey the message to these people as they conveyed it to those?
The questioner : Here is the issue that there are those who disbelieve by imitation.
The Shaykh : I do not care about this statement. And of course, I will discuss this statement, but since he concluded the topic with the words of Allah the Exalted[Al-An'am 6:19], are these people equal to those?
The questioner : They are not equal.
The Shaykh : So? You gain nothing from the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad, even if we accept that it is correct as a revelation from the sky, which it is not. You gain nothing because the situation is different. Those were conveyed the message, and these were not. Meaning, those were conveyed the legal proof, and among them were some who were stubborn and some who imitated. Is this not the summary of the wordsThe Shaykh : ؟
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : of Muhammad? Now history repeats itself. This people or that people were conveyed the message, and among them were some who were stubborn and some who imitated. But if they were not conveyed the message, are they equal, for example? What is the benefit of the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad, since all my words revolve around the conveyance of the message?
The questioner : There is no dispute in this that I have previously mentioned, may Allah preserve you, that no one is declared a disbeliever, and no one is judged as a disbeliever, except when the proof is established against them.
The Shaykh : My brother, but I see you as contradictory, as if you corrected yourself, let alone me. I have seen nothing from the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad except that you are in the same place. What did you gain from the wordsThe Shaykh : Muhammad?
The questioner : ofThe Shaykh : Muhammad? It benefited us by showing that there are those who are judged as disbelievers by imitation after the call reached the leaders.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Meaning, if the scholars conveyed the call.
The Shaykh : Yes, yes. This is the statementThe Shaykh : of Muhammad. I summarized it for you. Now, does whatThe Shaykh : Muhammad said apply to the first Arabs, to the Arabs...? Does this apply, and the call did not reach them? You tell me no. So what is the benefit of the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad? And yet, now I want to discuss the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad. Are they open to discussion or not?
The questioner : I say the answer is known.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good. What is the evidence for what he said? For example, you were convinced by the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad. What evidence convinced you?
The questioner : Many pieces of evidence.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good. Bring some of them.
The questioner : First, the statement of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in his letter, for example, to Caesar So when the call reached Caesar and he turned away, their ruling is his ruling. If he disbelieved, then so did they.
The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you, may Allah forgive you. Say, amen.
The questioner : Amen. This is a point.
The Shaykh : Where in this story is it that the call reached the group? Where is the statementThe Shaykh : of Muhammad? It is clear that the call reached them, so they disbelieved, some out of stubbornness and some out of imitation. Where in the story of Heraclius is it that the call reached all the Romans?
The questioner : Did the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) not send the letter to Caesar?
The Shaykh : Please give an answer. Tell me, in that case, it is not a response. You are going in circles, S and J, S and J, and then the first question is lost. And I usually say, may Allah have mercy on him, meaning he died. Where is the evidence? Hold the evidence for me in the story of Heraclius.
The questioner : His statement.
The Shaykh Because he did not guide them, nor did he call them to the guidance that became clear to him. And this does not contain that the call reached those peasants, does it?
The questioner : Meaning, when Heraclius conveyed the message to those people, they would not be disbelievers?
The Shaykh : There is no power and no strength except with Allah. I mentioned to you just now, my brother, a statement that cannot be other than what I said: when a king is guided, his people are not necessarily guided. Do not imagine that all of them understood tawhid (the oneness of Allah) in the saving way, whether in detail or in summary, as you wish. The important thing is that the understanding is saving. Did I say this to you just now or not?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And I say, if they all became Muslims, we would only have their Islam from them. As for whether they were saved with Allah, that is a matter of 'aqidah (creed). If their 'aqidah is correct, they disbelieved in what is worshipped besides Allah (Mighty and Majestic), the priests and the monks, and so on. And in my opinion, this requires time for them to clarify these legal realities. And I told you during the previous discussion that if these people became Muslims, do not understand that they became Muslims and understood the saving tawhid. How much more so now, when you derive from the mere conveyance of the call to Heraclius within four walls that the people, who number in the millions, were conveyed the call? Where, O Professor Salih? Where is this? It is far away.
The questioner : And now, fighting them is permissible.
The Shaykh : Avoid it.
The questioner : It is necessary.
The Shaykh : Avoid it. No, it is not necessary.
The questioner : No, it is necessary.
The Shaykh : There is no power and no strength except with Allah. Fighting them is permissible for the sake of your opinion.
The questioner : Fine, may Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : Fighting them is one thing.
The questioner : How is their blood made lawful?
The Shaykh : Because they did not testify that there is no god but AllahSunan an-Nasa'i 3983Sahih (Darussalam).
The Shaykh : Please.
The questioner : It wasThe Shaykh : (May Allah have mercy on him)The Shaykh : Muhammad in one of the letters said, "Not every disbeliever among the Arabs disbelieved out of arrogance and stubbornness."
The Shaykh : You mean the Arabs of the Prophet?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay.
The questioner : Sometimes a person disbelieves by imitation, for example, a slave who has no idea at all about this, and Allah (Exalted and Majestic is He) said
that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches
لأنذركم به ومن بلغThe Shaykh : He says
that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches
لأنذركم به ومن بلغThe questioner : The Qur'an is recited.
Another questioner : It is the same inquiry, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : It is the same inquiry, did it reach them?
The questioner : The Qur'an is recited.
The Shaykh : We have returned to the same problem. You reminded me of the discussion I related from someone else, and it turns out to be you. There is no power and no strength except with Allah.
The questioner : And he.
The Shaykh : O Shaykh, you say the Qur'an is recited. To whom is it recited? To those who understand it or to those who do not understand it?
The questioner : I am speaking about the statementThe Shaykh : I quoted for you the statementThe Shaykh : .
The Shaykh : I am now speaking withThe Shaykh : Salih, leaveThe Shaykh : Muhammad alone.
The questioner : May Allah preserve you. I mentioned this statement as an application to reality. I am saying the statementThe Shaykh : of Muhammad regarding the previous Arabs, meaning I said in the argumentation
And they rejected them, while their [inner] selves were convinced thereof
وجحدوا بها واستيقنتها أنفسهمthat I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches
لأنذركم به ومن بلغThe Shaykh : And I asked you, what?
The questioner : You obligated me to judge based on reality.
The Shaykh : I asked you, what? Did they convey the message to these people?
The questioner : I am not speaking about reality, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : That is enough, my brother. May Allah bless you. You quoted the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad. You delivered the message and conveyed the trust. Is it over?
The questioner : It is finished.
The Shaykh : I am asking you now, did they convey the message to these people as they conveyed it to those?
The questioner : Here is the issue that there are those who disbelieve by imitation.
The Shaykh : I do not care about this statement. And of course, I will discuss this statement, but since he concluded the topic with the words of Allah the Exalted
that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches
لأنذركم به ومن بلغThe questioner : They are not equal.
The Shaykh : So? You gain nothing from the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad, even if we accept that it is correct as a revelation from the sky, which it is not. You gain nothing because the situation is different. Those were conveyed the message, and these were not. Meaning, those were conveyed the legal proof, and among them were some who were stubborn and some who imitated. Is this not the summary of the wordsThe Shaykh : ؟
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : of Muhammad? Now history repeats itself. This people or that people were conveyed the message, and among them were some who were stubborn and some who imitated. But if they were not conveyed the message, are they equal, for example? What is the benefit of the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad, since all my words revolve around the conveyance of the message?
The questioner : There is no dispute in this that I have previously mentioned, may Allah preserve you, that no one is declared a disbeliever, and no one is judged as a disbeliever, except when the proof is established against them.
The Shaykh : My brother, but I see you as contradictory, as if you corrected yourself, let alone me. I have seen nothing from the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad except that you are in the same place. What did you gain from the wordsThe Shaykh : Muhammad?
The questioner : ofThe Shaykh : Muhammad? It benefited us by showing that there are those who are judged as disbelievers by imitation after the call reached the leaders.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Meaning, if the scholars conveyed the call.
The Shaykh : Yes, yes. This is the statementThe Shaykh : of Muhammad. I summarized it for you. Now, does whatThe Shaykh : Muhammad said apply to the first Arabs, to the Arabs...? Does this apply, and the call did not reach them? You tell me no. So what is the benefit of the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad? And yet, now I want to discuss the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad. Are they open to discussion or not?
The questioner : I say the answer is known.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good. What is the evidence for what he said? For example, you were convinced by the wordsThe Shaykh : of Muhammad. What evidence convinced you?
The questioner : Many pieces of evidence.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good. Bring some of them.
The questioner : First, the statement of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in his letter, for example, to Caesar
If you turn away, then upon you is only the sin of the peasants
فإن توليت فإنما عليك إثم الأريسيينThe Shaykh : May Allah forgive you, may Allah forgive you. Say, amen.
The questioner : Amen. This is a point.
The Shaykh : Where in this story is it that the call reached the group? Where is the statementThe Shaykh : of Muhammad? It is clear that the call reached them, so they disbelieved, some out of stubbornness and some out of imitation. Where in the story of Heraclius is it that the call reached all the Romans?
The questioner : Did the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) not send the letter to Caesar?
The Shaykh : Please give an answer. Tell me, in that case, it is not a response. You are going in circles, S and J, S and J, and then the first question is lost. And I usually say, may Allah have mercy on him, meaning he died. Where is the evidence? Hold the evidence for me in the story of Heraclius.
The questioner : His statement
the sin of the peasants
إثم الأريسيينThe Shaykh
the sin of the peasants
إثم الأريسيينThe questioner : Meaning, when Heraclius conveyed the message to those people, they would not be disbelievers?
The Shaykh : There is no power and no strength except with Allah. I mentioned to you just now, my brother, a statement that cannot be other than what I said: when a king is guided, his people are not necessarily guided. Do not imagine that all of them understood tawhid (the oneness of Allah) in the saving way, whether in detail or in summary, as you wish. The important thing is that the understanding is saving. Did I say this to you just now or not?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And I say, if they all became Muslims, we would only have their Islam from them. As for whether they were saved with Allah, that is a matter of 'aqidah (creed). If their 'aqidah is correct, they disbelieved in what is worshipped besides Allah (Mighty and Majestic), the priests and the monks, and so on. And in my opinion, this requires time for them to clarify these legal realities. And I told you during the previous discussion that if these people became Muslims, do not understand that they became Muslims and understood the saving tawhid. How much more so now, when you derive from the mere conveyance of the call to Heraclius within four walls that the people, who number in the millions, were conveyed the call? Where, O Professor Salih? Where is this? It is far away.
The questioner : And now, fighting them is permissible.
The Shaykh : Avoid it.
The questioner : It is necessary.
The Shaykh : Avoid it. No, it is not necessary.
The questioner : No, it is necessary.
The Shaykh : There is no power and no strength except with Allah. Fighting them is permissible for the sake of your opinion.
The questioner : Fine, may Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : Fighting them is one thing.
The questioner : How is their blood made lawful?
The Shaykh : Because they did not testify that there is no god but Allah
I have been commanded to fight the people until they bear witness to La ilaha illallah
أمرت أن أقاتل الناس حتى يشهدوا أن لا إله إلا الله
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