Mentioning the items in which riba (usury or interest) does not apply.
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The Shaykh : The second is when they are of the same kind. By our saying "items subject to riba," we exclude the case where they are not items subject to riba, or where one is an item subject to riba and the other is not, in which case there is no riba. If I sell a mithqal of silver for a mithqal of gold, is it permissible for me to increase one over the other? Answer.
The student: It is not permissible.
The Shaykh : It is not permissible. Why? Because they are of the same kind and both are items subject to riba. If I sell a sheep for two sheep, yes, a sheep for two sheep.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Is it permissible? Why?
The student: They are not items subject to riba.
The Shaykh : Because they are not items subject to riba. If I sell a car for two cars, is it permissible? Why? Because they are not items subject to riba. If I sell a cup for two cups, a tea cup for two cups, is it permissible? It is permissible.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : How so? A cup for two cups, is it permissible? Why?
The student: They are not items subject to riba.
The Shaykh : They are not items subject to riba because they are made of glass, and glass is not an item subject to riba. All right, if I sell a mithqal of gold for one hundred mithqals of iron.
The student: It is permissible.
The Shaykh : There is no god but Allah. Why?
The student: One is an item subject to riba...
The Shaykh : One is an item subject to riba, and the other, which one is the item subject to riba?
The student: Gold
The Shaykh : Gold is the item subject to riba, and iron is not an item subject to riba, because the correct view is that iron is not an item subject to riba. And whoever says it is an item subject to riba says that the kind is what? Different; this is gold and this is iron. And the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:Sahih Muslim 1587c All right.
The student: It is not permissible.
The Shaykh : It is not permissible. Why? Because they are of the same kind and both are items subject to riba. If I sell a sheep for two sheep, yes, a sheep for two sheep.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Is it permissible? Why?
The student: They are not items subject to riba.
The Shaykh : Because they are not items subject to riba. If I sell a car for two cars, is it permissible? Why? Because they are not items subject to riba. If I sell a cup for two cups, a tea cup for two cups, is it permissible? It is permissible.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : How so? A cup for two cups, is it permissible? Why?
The student: They are not items subject to riba.
The Shaykh : They are not items subject to riba because they are made of glass, and glass is not an item subject to riba. All right, if I sell a mithqal of gold for one hundred mithqals of iron.
The student: It is permissible.
The Shaykh : There is no god but Allah. Why?
The student: One is an item subject to riba...
The Shaykh : One is an item subject to riba, and the other, which one is the item subject to riba?
The student: Gold
The Shaykh : Gold is the item subject to riba, and iron is not an item subject to riba, because the correct view is that iron is not an item subject to riba. And whoever says it is an item subject to riba says that the kind is what? Different; this is gold and this is iron. And the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: