The meaning of the poet's statement: "And the others saw it as a newly created matter..." and the meaning of "Awwilu" and the discussion regarding those who say that the act other than the acted-upon is, and that the act is newly created
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The Shaykh : He said: "And the others saw it as a newly created matter *** It subsists in the essence, and they are of two types
One of them made it a beginning for it *** Fearing the regress, which is not possible
This is what the Karramiyyah said *** So their acts and their speech are the same
And others are the Awwilu of the hadith, like Ahmad *** "
Awwilu, in my view, it means "they advanced."
"And the others are the Awwilu of the hadith, like Ahmad *** That is Ibn Hanbal, the one of contentment, al-Shaybani
He said: "
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : The Awwilu of the hadith.
The student : Awwilu?
The Shaykh : Awwilu, my brothers, Awwilu, do you know what Awwilu means? It means "companions," okay, note this:
"And the others saw it as a newly created matter *** It subsists in the essence"
Who are the others? The others are those who said that the act is other than the acted-upon, because he said in the first part: "And they are two factions"
You understood the first faction, right? They said that the act is other than the acted-upon, but the act is ancient and subsists in the essence, and the acted-upon is subsequent, and this is not conceivable. The second faction saw it as a newly created matter that subsists in the essence. They said: The act subsists in the essence, and it is newly created, created after it did not exist. Follow me: When Allah the Exalted intends to create a fetus, when does the act attach to this fetus? Here? At its creation. Is this act newly created or not? It is newly created. So they say: The act is other than the acted-upon, and the act is newly created at the intention of acting upon the acted-upon, or concurrent with the act upon the acted-upon. Is this reasonable or not? It is reasonable. And what obstacle prevents the act of Allah from being newly created after it did not exist, but with regard to this specific thing? For this reason, he said:
"One of them"
One of them made it a beginning for it *** Fearing the regress, which is not possible
This is what the Karramiyyah said *** So their acts and their speech are the same
And others are the Awwilu of the hadith, like Ahmad *** "
Awwilu, in my view, it means "they advanced."
"And the others are the Awwilu of the hadith, like Ahmad *** That is Ibn Hanbal, the one of contentment, al-Shaybani
He said: "
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : The Awwilu of the hadith.
The student : Awwilu?
The Shaykh : Awwilu, my brothers, Awwilu, do you know what Awwilu means? It means "companions," okay, note this:
"And the others saw it as a newly created matter *** It subsists in the essence"
Who are the others? The others are those who said that the act is other than the acted-upon, because he said in the first part: "And they are two factions"
You understood the first faction, right? They said that the act is other than the acted-upon, but the act is ancient and subsists in the essence, and the acted-upon is subsequent, and this is not conceivable. The second faction saw it as a newly created matter that subsists in the essence. They said: The act subsists in the essence, and it is newly created, created after it did not exist. Follow me: When Allah the Exalted intends to create a fetus, when does the act attach to this fetus? Here? At its creation. Is this act newly created or not? It is newly created. So they say: The act is other than the acted-upon, and the act is newly created at the intention of acting upon the acted-upon, or concurrent with the act upon the acted-upon. Is this reasonable or not? It is reasonable. And what obstacle prevents the act of Allah from being newly created after it did not exist, but with regard to this specific thing? For this reason, he said:
"One of them"