Is the *jayb* interpreted as the hand or not?
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The questioner : ... the hand?
The Shaykh : The hand? Yes, this is according to the view that the *jayb* is the place where money is kept.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : But if we define the *jayb* as the opening through which the head enters, it cannot be in the sleeve.
The questioner : This is what the Shaykh mentioned.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: It is what he mentioned, the one through which the hand enters, not the one where money is kept.
The Shaykh : How?
The student: It is what he mentioned, meaning what is understood from his words.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: He says the *jayb* that bounds the neck ... he says it is what is cut from the garment for the head or hand to enter.
The Shaykh : He theorized about it. He theorized about it later.
The student: No, he said that the *jayb* he referred to in the hadith is the first one.
The Shaykh : How so?
The questioner : It is the first one. The first one he mentioned. He said: *Jayb*: with a fathah on the jīm, a sukūn on the lower letter, followed by a mīm with a single dot. It is what is cut from the garment for the head or hand or something else to exit. Then he mentioned afterwards: And the one in the hadith is the first one.
The Shaykh : No, read it, Zayn.
The questioner : Should I read from the beginning?
The Shaykh : Whatever contradicts.
The student: He says *Jayb*: with a fathah on the jīm, a sukūn on the lower letter, followed by a mīm with a single dot. It is what is cut from the garment for the head or hand or something else to exit. Al-Isma'ili objected and said: The *jayb* that surrounds the neck, the *jayb* of the garment, meaning: a hole was made in it. Al-Bukhari cited it as what is made in the chest to place things in, and Abu 'Ubayd interpreted it that way, but that is not what is intended here; rather, the *jayb* referred to in the hadith is the first one.
The Shaykh : What is the first one?
The questioner : The first one is ..
The Shaykh : We do not know if it is the one he objected to or not.
The student: He says the first one is what is cut from the garment for the head or hand to enter.
The Shaykh : It is not apparent. His intention is, meaning, it is the first one, meaning the *jayb* is not what is in the sleeve, because we now understand the *jayb* to be of two types: either the opening, or the pocket where money is kept, meaning the hidden place. Yes.
The student: ... he says is there no objection to interpreting it according to the second view?
The Shaykh : No.
The student: He said is there no objection to interpreting it according to the ... ..
The Shaykh : What appears to me is that al-Bukhari’s intention is that the *jayb* can be from the chest area, and it can be from elsewhere. Suppose, for example, the *jayb* is made with the opening from the shoulder, and the collar surrounds the neck, but the opening for inserting the head is from the shoulder. Sometimes it is like this. Some *jaybs* have the opening from the right shoulder or the left shoulder, or from both the right and left shoulders, and some are made from the back. Yes.
The Shaykh : The hand? Yes, this is according to the view that the *jayb* is the place where money is kept.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : But if we define the *jayb* as the opening through which the head enters, it cannot be in the sleeve.
The questioner : This is what the Shaykh mentioned.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: It is what he mentioned, the one through which the hand enters, not the one where money is kept.
The Shaykh : How?
The student: It is what he mentioned, meaning what is understood from his words.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: He says the *jayb* that bounds the neck ... he says it is what is cut from the garment for the head or hand to enter.
The Shaykh : He theorized about it. He theorized about it later.
The student: No, he said that the *jayb* he referred to in the hadith is the first one.
The Shaykh : How so?
The questioner : It is the first one. The first one he mentioned. He said: *Jayb*: with a fathah on the jīm, a sukūn on the lower letter, followed by a mīm with a single dot. It is what is cut from the garment for the head or hand or something else to exit. Then he mentioned afterwards: And the one in the hadith is the first one.
The Shaykh : No, read it, Zayn.
The questioner : Should I read from the beginning?
The Shaykh : Whatever contradicts.
The student: He says *Jayb*: with a fathah on the jīm, a sukūn on the lower letter, followed by a mīm with a single dot. It is what is cut from the garment for the head or hand or something else to exit. Al-Isma'ili objected and said: The *jayb* that surrounds the neck, the *jayb* of the garment, meaning: a hole was made in it. Al-Bukhari cited it as what is made in the chest to place things in, and Abu 'Ubayd interpreted it that way, but that is not what is intended here; rather, the *jayb* referred to in the hadith is the first one.
The Shaykh : What is the first one?
The questioner : The first one is ..
The Shaykh : We do not know if it is the one he objected to or not.
The student: He says the first one is what is cut from the garment for the head or hand to enter.
The Shaykh : It is not apparent. His intention is, meaning, it is the first one, meaning the *jayb* is not what is in the sleeve, because we now understand the *jayb* to be of two types: either the opening, or the pocket where money is kept, meaning the hidden place. Yes.
The student: ... he says is there no objection to interpreting it according to the second view?
The Shaykh : No.
The student: He said is there no objection to interpreting it according to the ... ..
The Shaykh : What appears to me is that al-Bukhari’s intention is that the *jayb* can be from the chest area, and it can be from elsewhere. Suppose, for example, the *jayb* is made with the opening from the shoulder, and the collar surrounds the neck, but the opening for inserting the head is from the shoulder. Sometimes it is like this. Some *jaybs* have the opening from the right shoulder or the left shoulder, or from both the right and left shoulders, and some are made from the back. Yes.